: Build Sheet/Assembly plant discrapancy
Dwayne Martin Oct 2nd, 06, 8:53 AM My dad just bought a 1969 Impala. According to the cars vin# and cowl tag, it was built in Doraville, GA. We found two build sheets in the car (one under the front seat and one under the back seat) that match the car's vin#, options, colors, etc. The confusing thing is that both of these build sheets are from the Kansas City plant. I'm thinking that the seats may have been made at Kansas City and shipped to Georgia where the car was being assembled. Maybe Doraville ran out of build sheet stock and had to get some from the Kansas City plant. I was curious if anyone here has ever run into this situation and could offer an explanation. Since the car is nothing special and he bought it from the origianl owner, we are not concerned about it from a value or discrepancy standpoint. We just wanted to satisfy our curiousity. I appreciate any input.
DaleM Oct 2nd, 06, 11:59 AM That would really be strange since KC didn't built the full size car in 1969, only the Chevelle and El Camino. Never looked at a build sheet for a full size car but for Chevelles, AFAIK, a blank build sheet had no plant unique information or identifier. Be interesting to see a KC built sheet for a full size car. Are you sure it's not just the destination dealer's name that's KC-related? It actually says it was assembled at the Leed's Plant?
Dave Birdwell Oct 2nd, 06, 7:42 PM Or someone swapped the VIN and cowl tags.... Dale- did you know there are actually at least two different versions of the 70 Chevelle build sheet?
DaleM Oct 2nd, 06, 10:26 PM Or someone swapped the VIN and cowl tags.... Dale- did you know there are actually at least two different versions of the 70 Chevelle build sheet?
Guess I don't understand. If the VIN and Fisher Body plate are for a full size car from Doraville, GA. as noted and a build sheet is for a KC car, what would swapping the plates do? Full size Chevrolets weren't built in KC to my knowledge and hence, it shouldn't be on a valid build sheet.???
Never looked for different versions of build sheets but it wouldn't surprise me that GM might have more than one supplier of stock paperwork and/or something might change during the year.
Dwayne Martin Oct 3rd, 06, 7:27 AM We bought the car from the original owner; her name is on the protect-o-plate and the original title from 1969. As I stated in the original post, the car is just a plain old impala sport coupe; so I doubt very seriously that anything has been switched on the car. I'll see if I can post a picture of the build sheet. We are just curious about the K.C. build sheet; maybe we will learn something new once we figure it out.
elcamino Oct 3rd, 06, 9:19 AM This does not make sense at all.
Only think that would make sense is that the seats came from another car (changed at some point in time).
Dwayne Martin Oct 3rd, 06, 9:59 AM The build sheets found in the seats matches the vin# on the car; so they are for the this car. Both build sheets are identicle - as they should be. I'll try to post pictures tomorrow.
joe58 Oct 3rd, 06, 10:03 AM post picture of trim tag also if you can
Dave Birdwell Oct 3rd, 06, 4:59 PM Dale- I guess you're right...I didn't catch the part about the KC plant not building Big cars....
Dwayne Martin Oct 11th, 06, 9:25 PM Sorry it took so long; here are pictures of the build sheet and trim tag. The vin# is 164379D031231. Thanks...........Dwayne
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7171/20061011image0001cj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7324/20061011image0009eu1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Dean Oct 11th, 06, 11:48 PM Kansas City Kansas would be Buick Oldsmobile Pontiac plant in Fairfax.
A body cars were assembled in the Leeds part of Kansas City Missouri.
DaleM Oct 12th, 06, 1:23 AM Kansas City Kansas would be Buick Oldsmobile Pontiac plant in Fairfax.
A body cars were assembled in the Leeds part of Kansas City Missouri.
Remember the BOP plant well. Dad's old workplace, National Garage at 11th and McGee, used to store new cars there in on the top two floors awaiting sale/delivery. But why the Fairfax build sheet and the Doraville, GA. VIN and body plate? VIN and body numbers from the body plate are on the build sheet. You think Doraville may have been using bulk/blank build sheets from KC for some reason? :confused:
You definately have an odd one there. Good thing you have the paperwork proof.
elcamino Oct 12th, 06, 10:20 AM Was there a work stopage at Doraville? Maybe they pulled a bunch of F&SO cars and finished assembly at KC? Big company like National Rental may have gotten special treatment. :confused:
DaleM Oct 12th, 06, 11:19 AM Was there a work stopage at Doraville? Maybe they pulled a bunch of F&SO cars and finished assembly at KC? Big company like National Rental may have gotten special treatment. :confused:
Sheet says they were charged to a dealership in (what looks like) Lauderhill (?), FL to be shipped to Miami International Airport. National Car Rental's headquarters is currently in Tulsa, OK. but to ship completed bodies from Fisher in Atlanta to Kansas City, Kansas for final assembly when KCK only built B-O-P series, then back to Florida seems like asking a lot.:D
BTW, did you edit your original reply above?
elcamino Oct 12th, 06, 2:34 PM Fleet vehicles, you can never tell what goes on with them. They are often ordered in large quanties, this car may have been one of hundreds of Buick, Olds, Pontiac and Chevy.
Maybe JohnZ over a Camaro tech can shead some light on this. He was working in Chevy mgmnt. during this time.
joe58 Oct 12th, 06, 4:46 PM Is the name of the assembly plant pre-printed on the blank build sheets ?
Maybe "Kansas City plant" is pre-printed on the blank build sheet and because of a shortage or mistake Doraville recieved Kansas City blank sheets and had to use them until they got the correct Doraville blank build sheet ?
not sure but it does look strange
Dwayne Martin Oct 12th, 06, 8:32 PM Yes, KANSAS CITY is pre-printed on the form. I brought up the possibility of Doraville using Kansas City build sheet stock in my original post; I believe that is what happened. I work in Data Processing and I know how it is to run out of forms. As long as the layout of the build sheet stock was the same and the paper size was the same, it would not have been a problem to use the Kansas City sheets. Nobody cared in the trim shop as long as the correct seats were made (one build sheet found under front seat; the other under the back seat).
JohnZ Oct 13th, 06, 10:20 AM I agree with Joe and Dwayne - Doraville ran out of build sheet forms, and used bulk forms from Kansas City until their own showed up from the printer; bodies/chassis weren't swapped between plants. :)
DaleM Oct 13th, 06, 3:44 PM I agree with Joe and Dwayne - Doraville ran out of build sheet forms, and used bulk forms from Kansas City until their own showed up from the printer; bodies/chassis weren't swapped between plants. :)
Does seem like the most logical explanation. ;)
69chevyguy Oct 19th, 06, 7:42 AM Well, I couldn't resist this thread so I registered so I could speak up.
I'm currently doing a study of all full size 1967-1970 build sheets - all plants. The fact is there were several different styles of build sheets which were plant-specific, there was NOT one generic sheet used at all plants, but some "styles" appeared at only one plant, while others were the same between more than one plant. Blank build sheets DID include the plant name on some, but were typed in after the fact on others. In the example above you will see the plant name is not typed in but printed as part of the page itself. Most likely scenario is that a KC sheet was used at Doraville. A most interesting sheet...accross boxes 93 through 99 you will see typed header information - this info was also different plant to plant. I will check some Doraville sheets for 1969 to see if they show the same header data in these boxes.
69chevyguy Oct 19th, 06, 7:46 AM hmmm...my signature didn't show up on that post, let's try this one...
elcamino Oct 19th, 06, 8:22 AM It could have been unintentional usage. Like they received them in error and they went into the system unoticed and when it was caught, it was corrected.
Just recently I received some literature for my business. It sat in the box till yesterday when I needed some. Well, it had the wrong business name on the brochures. So they sent me the wrong stuff. Printer screw-up.
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