How many cans of paint needed to paint a new 70Chevelle trunk

I used 1 1/2 but I used a light coat of flat black first, Be sure to put the sealer over the top of your spatter paint.
TROY

I'd do a search on trunk paint...

i think he's saying zolatone.

i think he's saying zolatone. If he's not, I will. BTDT--use the Zolatone & fugetaboutit. The spray can stuff WILL mess up. Profit from our experiences. :D :D

BL

Bl, what is the fugetaboutit,and zolatone?Ive not seen it anywhere I dont think.And where do you get it?Thanks

FUGETABOUTIT comes in Gallon cans. but is hard to find now days ;) .....ZOLATONE... as was said, a search will reveal many a detailed conversations here at TC about it...

why cut corners, do it right the first time graemlins/thumbsup.gif

www.zolatoneaim.com (http://www.zolatoneaim.com)

Make sure it's a well-ventilated area with the FUGETABOUTIT. That stuff stinks! :eek:

Why not use the splatter in the cans?

Dan

Originally posted by youngzkustoms:
Why not use the splatter in the cans?

Dan I used the GM stuff in the spray cans..looks fine to me graemlins/thumbsup.gif and easy to use.Im not doing a Concourse restoration though ;)
Troy

Dan...it's called " SPATTER " paint ;)

and why not use it in cans? Do a search on the topic and get the answers to that also... has nothing to do with a nut and bolt restoration., but it is a personal choice how you spend your money and how many times.

Mike

http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c3/dwaynes69bb/71_chevelle/71_Finished/trunk.jpg


Heres the trunk in our '71 that was done with the GM spatter paint in a can. Took two cans of the spatter paint and one can of clear to seal it.

You must spray the clear to seal it or water will ruin it. I used Kylon Satin Clear from Walmart.
I think it turned out great and held up fine for the 2 years I had it.

I would highly reccomend spraying the trunk with a Semi-gloss black before you spray the spatter paint. I did'nt and it took quite a bit to get it to cover. A friend of mine sprayed his with the black 1st and it looked much better and didn't take near as much spatter paint to cover.
Krylon 1613 Semi-gloss black from Walmart works great for this.

I'm not sure why anyone would have problems using the spray can spatter. Just take your time and prep the trunk good before you start spraying.

Dwayne

I used the spray cans on mine and worked fine. Still looks like new. That's the key. Make sure it's clean before you do it. And don't be skimpy with the clear. Trunk Pics (http://www.454malibu.com/toolbox_pics.htm)

The trunk is new form Ground Up,which comes painted black,do I still have to spray a coat of black paint anyway?

Depends if you are going the Cheap cut corners way or if you are going to do it the right way so it lasts??

Do it right, use Zolatone, and not have to worry about spraying cans of clear coat over it, never have to worry if it gets wet.. because even if your spray can spatter is clear coated.. if it gets wet... guess what?? you are doing the trunk over again. Base coat that new trunk according to the directions you will get with the Zolatone and Fer gett about it! graemlins/thumbsup.gif

I would like to use Zolatone, but it doesn't come in aqua/black like mine was originally and I am trying to do it as close to original as I can, so it's GM spatter for me.

Mike

Not sure what kind of clear sealer others have tried that failed. But, the Kylon clear is uneffected by water.

Also, I checked out the link posted in this thread about the Zolatone.
It looks like your gonna need a commpressor and spray gun to use it. I may be wrong, but, I didn't see it sold any other way.
If you have a commpressor and gun, these guys may be right, that it would be the "best" option.

But, if you don't have access to the spray equipment. The GM Spatter seems to be a good alternative.

I used the aqua/black from Eastwood and thought it looked like hell. Go with the Onyx Black from Zolatone. IMHO, it's very close, and many others on this board with top notch restos have used it.

Here are the instructions from the Zolatone website.


Preparing the Surface
1. Before applying Zolatone 20, clean all surfaces with water and an abrasive body shop cleaner (such as Sem soap, 3M Prep & Blend, Presta Substrata, or similar products) using a maroon scuff pad.
2. Sand with 180 grit paper using pressure. Do not leave any glossy areas.
3. Eliminate rust using a rust remover recommended for use with water-borne primers.
4. Mask off the surface.
5. Treat bare metal with an etching primer that is recommended for use with water-borne products.

Primer Coatings
1. Select the proper Primer Sealer/Base Color for the Zolatone finish color. Refer to page 5 of our catalog or the Specifications page of this web site for correct color recommendations. Only Zolatone primers are manufactured to chemically interact with Zolatone 20 and are an integral part of the Zolatone application system. Use of primers other than the recommended Zolatone Primers may affect the durability and appearance of Zolatone 20.
2. Ready to use. Thin only if needed, with water not to exceed 5% (1.5 oz. per quart or 6 oz. or gallon.) Over thinning may cause adhesion failure.
3. Apply one medium wet coat at 50-60 psi. Do not exceed 2 mils dry film. Too heavy a film will slow dry time and may cause adhesion problems.
4. Tack free in 15-30 minutes. Depending upon temperature and humidity, Zolatone 20 Series can be applied in 1 hour.
5. Clean gun with soap and water while still wet. Follow cleaning by rinsing with solvent or gun cleaner.

Zolatone Color Coat
The durable and decorative properties of the Zolatone System, “the promise of Zolatone”, is based on a 100% full-coverage coat application. Zolatone has the ability, and was designed, to deliver a 100% full-coat film, rather than a spatter effect commonly associated with other multi-color and textured coatings. If the substrate or primer coating is visible, coverage is inadequate. Only full-coat coverage insures that you receive all the qualities that are expected of the Zolatone Process.

Applying Zolatone 20 Series Multicolor with CONVENTIONAL & HVLP Pressure Fed Spray Guns
First Step:
Background/Sheer Coat. Spray Gun: 12 inches from surface with fluid needle valve nearly in the closed position. Conventional Gun Air Pressure: 50-60 psi. HVLP Gun Air Pressure: 40-50 psi. Pot/Fluid Pressure: 10 psi. Apply a medium wet coat. Do not build up product in the corners. No flash time required between coats.
Second Step:
Pattern Coat. Total film thickness not to exceed 8 mils wet film thickness. Spray Gun: 24-36 inches from the surface with fluid needle valve opened one turn from step #1 above. Conventional/HVLP Gun Air Pressure: 20-30 psi. Pot/Fluid Pressure: 10 psi. Lowering air feed pressure increases fleck size and texture which would produce cleaner colors. Too heavy a film will slow dry time and may cause adhesion problems.
Clean Up:
First flush gun with water while Zolatone is still wet. Then flush with solvent or gun cleaner. DO NOT allow materials to dry in gun.

Air Dry System
Tack free in 2 hours at about 70° F at 50% relative humidity. Full cure occurs 5 to 7 days depending on temperature and humidity. Allow to dry overnight prior to clear coat application.

Force Dry System
Force dried at 140° F in 30-60 minutes. Allow 30 minutes flash time if using force air or baking. Can be clear coated after cooling.

DO NOT allow moisture of any kind on the surface for 24 hours.

Applying Zolatone Zo-Pol Clear
1. Mix equal part of A & B products.
2. Stir thoroughly. No thinning is required.
3. Must stand for 30 minutes to allow product to become chemically activated
4. Strain material.
5. First Coat
Apply: Medium wet. Gun/Air Pressure: 55 psi.
Tack Free: 2 to 5 hours at 70° F.
Force Dry: 40-60 minutes at 140° F.
Ready to Use: 24 hours. Full Cure: 7-10 days.
Optional Second Coat
Allow: 15 minutes flash off time between coats.
Apply: Medium wet. Gun/Air Pressure: 55 psi.
Tack Free: 4 to 8 hours at 70° F.
Force Dry: 40-60 minutes at 140° F.
Ready to Use: 24 hours. Full Cure: 7-10 days.
If a second coat is applied, dry time will be extended. Extensive film build-up (runs, sags, and puddles) will yellow. The pot life of the blended Zo-Pol is approximately 8 hours.
DO NOT allow materials to dry in gun. Use the same thinners and gun cleaners as you would with any other automotive paint products.

Temperature and Humidity
Primer Sealer/Base Color
The ideal condition to spray the product is at 70° F and 50% relative humidity. This will allow for maximum adhesion to the surface. Since the product contains water, force drying at 120° F for 15 minutes is highly recommended when relative humidity is above 75%.
Zolatone 20 Series Multicolor
To achieve the best adhesion and the maximum development of hardness and resistance properties, the product must be sprayed at or above 70° F and at or below 50% relative humidity. This product then should be flashed off for 30 minutes and force dried at 120° F to 140° F for 60 minutes. This allows a return to service without having to worry about rain or heavy usage. If air dried at proper temperature and humidity, avoid heavy usage and moisture for 24 hours. If air dried at higher than 75% relative humidity, the best integrity of the film may not have been achieved and moisture may cause flecks to come off. Force drying is especially recommended if the air temperature is below 50° F and/or if the relative humidity is above 75%.
Zo-Pol Clear Coat
The ideal condition to spray the product is at or above 70° F. This will allow for maximum adhesion.

Can zolatone be sprayed without a pressure pot spray gun setup? If you read their instructions, they say to use the pressure pot. I have a conventional setup with cup on the gun. Don't see how I can spray zolatone. Would like to but I won't buy a pressure pot just for the trunk. Do rental places rent a pressure pot spray apparatus? Your experience in spraying zolatone is appreciated. I need to do my trunk soon.

Originally posted by crowenate:
Bl, what is zolatone?Ive not seen it anywhere I dont think.And where do you get it?Thanks I got mine from the local Dupont jobber. I'd think that any paint store could get it for you. My trunk was originally done with the spray can and clear coat deal. When I drove to CB04, I had to go through some heavy rain for about 2 hours and some moisture got into the trunk. When I got home & lifted the trunk mat out to dry the trunk, the paint lifted with it. It took about 3 days to strip that mess off of the trunk using laquer thinner and rags, :mad: then it was primed and painted with the Zolatone #20-71 Onyx Black. I can now wash out my trunk with carwash soap and water & not worry about the paint coming off. :D
I'm just sharing my experience in the hope that others won't have to go through the same problem. Zolatone & fugetaboutit!! graemlins/thumbsup.gif BTW: it took about 3/4 qt of the paint.
BL

Originally posted by bhawk:
Can zolatone be sprayed without a pressure pot spray gun setup? If you read their instructions, they say to use the pressure pot. I have a conventional setup with cup on the gun. Don't see how I can spray zolatone. Would like to but I won't buy a pressure pot just for the trunk. Do rental places rent a pressure pot spray apparatus? Your experience in spraying zolatone is appreciated. I need to do my trunk soon. Marley...I sprayed the Zolatone in my 68 trunk with a Sharp gravity feed gun (HVLP Cobalt series). It's nothing special. It's a $160.00 gun. The same gun I used to paint the car. The process was very simple. Took about 5 mins. to spray once the trunk was ready to spray.

What is the cost of zolatone? I am going to look around for it hear in town it will be around a month before I need it though.

Originally posted by crowenate:
What is the cost of zolatone? I am going to look around for it hear in town it will be around a month before I need it though. The best way to buy Zolatone is to call the Co. (number is on their site) and they will tell you who is a Zolatone dist. in your area. It will more than likey be an auto parts store near you. They won't stock it. They will order it and in my case, it was there in a week or so. The cost is about $50.00 for the one Qt. you will need...

You wouldn't spray the outside of your car with spray paint can would you? Why spray the inside with one.
Spray the Zolatone or have it done. Lot better than a rattle can!

Dave

OK,
you guys have peaked my interest in the Zolotone. But, I have a couple of questions:

What kind of texture does it have? From the website it looks very textured, like the Rhino bedliner material. I was thinkin it was more like the finish of the inside of a washing machine.

Does it look like the factory finish that you get from the GM spatter paint? I did'nt see any colors offered that looked anywhere close to the correct color.

The website indicates that it must be covered with clear like the spatter paint. Has anyone used it without clearcoating over it?


Maybe I just got lucky using the spatter paint on mine. But, the trunk never leaked, so I guess that helped keep it looking good.

But, if the zolotone is smooth and not textured and is availible in the correct color without needing to be clear coated, I guess I could give it a try on the next one.

BTW, I highly reccomend that if your trunk is leaking, that you should remedy that problem before doing any resto work on the trunk.

Let's just put it this way... and not to sound cocky... if the Zolatone didn't have the look and texture of the factory finish... it would not be in my 66 SS Trunk.. or the trunk of Bill's 68 or the many original factory restorations across the country.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO CLEAR COAT OVER ZOLATONE. You can, many do, but you just don't have to.

What color did you order to get the factory appearance?

What texture does it have?

Why do they reccomend spraying clear over top?

Please post some photos of your trunk. I looked on your website but did'nt see any of it. I may have just overlooked it.
I really would like to see the finished product.

Anybody thats used the zolotone have any pics? NovaDad? Bill?

Thanks
Dwayne

I got a email from Robert Hensley at zolatone and he said that onyx black 20-71 is the color I need although the website does not show the aqua very good.It dont look to me like it has any aqua in it,does it?

What about the new intermix, I wander if you could get the black/aqua mixed up.From what Ive heard I guess I will go with the onyx black I just hope it is close to the 69 color.

Bill,Thanks for the info graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Zolatone does NOT need a top coat. Zolatone was not developed for Chevelle trunks. It is used in many different applications. It is used on walls in commercial buildings, and anywhere else you would want spatter paint. Thats why it is available in 50 different colors. It is extremely durable, which is why it makes a good trunk paint. In certain applications like exterior walls, you might want to clear coat it, but inside a trunk, it isn't necessary.

My 68 had the original trunk paint which had a dark grey base/back ground with lighter grey/ aqua spatter. The Onyx Black Zolatone is as close as you will get to that original color and texture...

Thanks for the pic Bill!

I guess the zolotone may be more durable, but, the GM spatter paint that I used looks much more like the original color that was in my '71 trunk than that does.

Can you get the zolotone in more of a black/aqua color or is the color you used pretty much it?

Mike Crown, is that the color you used in your trunk? It looks pretty close to the grey/white used on earlier model years.

Thanks fellows!

Antime I have ever seen pictures taken of the trunk spatter paint, it seems to get washed out... ie.. don't base any decision on pictures...as has been said.. you seem quite happy with what you have, so no need to convince you to change IMO... but trust me.. it's as close to Factory looking as you will get.. I can spot rattle can spatter from 5 feet away.

My color is BLACK ONYX, and photos up close make it look Grayish.. IT IS FAR FROM GRAY.. it's BLACK.. not sure what color Bill was looking to get/has.

66's received Black/white spatter, though a few received Black/Acqua...

67's get Gray/Acqua

65's Gray/white

Call the number and get whatever info you need is my best advice.. I do not have a current photo of an up close TRUNK shot..but my web site has one under ENGINE Views... but not real close up.

Good luck

Thanks Mike,

I think that unless I'm working on a nut and bolts restoration, I'll stick with the GM spatter.

The Zolotone just seems like quite a bit more work and cost for the driver/cruisers that I'm usually building.

Plus, I'm still not convinced it looks as correct as the GM spatter for the 68 and later cars.

Bills pic above may indeed make it look greyer and lighter than it acutally is, but, the pic of my trunk shows much darker than Bills.

http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c3/dwaynes69bb/Misc_Photos/trunk.jpg

EDIT:
I just took a look at the pic of your trunk on your website, and you're right. It does look more like the GM spatter than Bills pic.

Maybe next one I do I'll give it a try so I can compare it for myself.

Thanks again for all the info.

71ssbb what color is your car in the picture? also you can mix the zolatone to get the aqua color your looking for new68ss call the 1 800 number they will send you a catalog with all the colors and mixes. storm

After seeing the pictures I think Ill try the zolatone. Im not doing a concourse resto so if it dont match exactly its not a real big deal,the thing I like is the texture it seems like it has.

I used zolatone black onyx as well I think it looks 10 times better than that spray can stuff but that's me :D
http://image22.webshots.com/22/2/52/16/215725216biioXQ_ph.jpg
http://image18.webshots.com/19/2/53/80/215725380ImxCAL_ph.jpg
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You can tell how much light changes the pictures.

so is the Onyx Black correct for a 70?

Originally posted by MARINA66SS:
I used zolatone black onyx as well I think it looks 10 times better than that spray can stuff but that's me :D
http://image22.webshots.com/22/2/52/16/215725216biioXQ_ph.jpg
http://image18.webshots.com/19/2/53/80/215725380ImxCAL_ph.jpg
http://image20.webshots.com/21/2/55/32/215725532BOrlxq_ph.jpg

You can tell how much light changes the pictures. pictures won't come up for me??

Originally posted by storm:
71ssbb what color is your car in the picture? also you can mix the zolatone to get the aqua color your looking for new68ss call the 1 800 number they will send you a catalog with all the colors and mixes. storm Storm... Thats my Grecian Green 68...

is that a stock original color or did you pick it? p.s i am not trying to get your color it just looks like the color on my 70 before i changed it. storm

Storm, Grecian Green with black vinyl top is the original H2 code on the trim tag. No changes here...

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/71SSBB/68Chevelle.jpg

from looking at the pics from 454Malibu, the spray cans seem to look fine. Kick Ass tool box btw.

My Chevy dealer tells me he can only order a 6 pack of spray cans,where else can I buy GM paint by the can.THANKS

Im pretty sure OPG sales the gm spatter paint by the can.

I got it from OPG.Got the topcoat there too.It's by Plasti-Kote and is just semi-gloss clear acrylic.Thanks on the toolbox comment.Did that myself.

Originally posted by DONNY:
so is the Onyx Black correct for a 70? ANYONE!

Donny, it's not 100%, but as was said before, it's been used by many guys here on this site with top notch restos.

Thanks,
i seen guys with 66's using it and i thought the 66 and 70 color was different.

71ssbb i like the color .of all the colors out there, there still nothing like the original color. looks good. storm

do you have to remove the old trunk spatter paint before using the zolatone?

chris

Originally posted by afenderman67:
do you have to remove the old trunk spatter paint before using the zolatone?

chris ABSOLUTELY!! :eek:

66 MYSTERY CHEVELLE,how is the best way to strip off the old paint?

chris

MARINA66SS
I saw your PICS of your car on team chevelle and I was wondering what paint you used for the marina blue? Because I have a 67 ss chevelle that I'm redoing for paint and going back to marina blue. I'd like the color of your, not to light or to dark!

I was reading your post about trunk paint, and did yours with zolatone, thats what I'm going to use as well. My question is do you have to remove all the old original trunk spatter paint before repainting it with zolatone?

MARINA66SS
I saw your PICS of your car on team chevelle and I was wondering what paint you used for the marina blue? Because I have a 67 ss chevelle that I'm redoing for paint and going back to marina blue. I'd like the color of your, not to light or to dark!
I was reading your post about trunk paint, and did yours with zolatone, thats what I'm going to use as well. My question is do you have to remove all the old original trunk spatter paint before repainting it with zolatone?

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chris bolen


Well I actually sand blasted my trunk to bare metal and then painted it with primer then black for a base under the onyx for protection on the metal and so it covered better as you see from the pic when it was on the rotisseri. You may be able to use a DA sander or something to rough it up real good with like 80grit or something. As far as my color goes its code ff marina blue from ppg the only difference in mine is the undercoat. I originally tried to spray it over a light grey which was fine but it took many coats to get it to cover good which on the car anything that was done in grey is all hidden basically the interior. So I went to a medium blue sealer about the color of the blue on the usa flag. It covered better and gave it a strange pearl look to it which I sort of like it basically on an angle looks a little darker than it does straight on. I didn't think the base coat would make that much difference but if you look at them next to each other it is pretty obvious. Hope this helps.
Jeff
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