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: MPH gain from weight loss


406-PARISIENNE
Aug 25th, 06, 6:31 PM
The figure I have seen used a lot is about 1 tenth quicker for every 100 pounds dropped in weight. Is there some general figure that works the same for MPH. eg, In my old car I was running 13.4s @ 104mph & in my new car it will have the same engine , converter , Turbo 400 instead of 350 & 3.73s instead of 3.55s & will weigh between 900 - 1000 pounds less. So is there something that says every 100 pounds you drop you gain a certain amount of MPH.

onovakind67
Aug 25th, 06, 6:57 PM
It's not a linear progression. Losing 100# from a 1000# car will have a more significant effect than losing 100# from a 4000# car. If you look at it like that, each increment of weight you lose is more important than the last increment.

Bob West
Aug 25th, 06, 9:04 PM
Id say at least a second, what body style is the new car? aerodynamics come into play too. Most Chevelles like a Parisienne have the aerodynamics of a brick.

jason67chevelle
Aug 25th, 06, 10:17 PM
i don't know the rule but i do know that i had my 496 in a 3750 pound 66 olds 442 and it ran 6.50's in the 8th.i bought my vega thinking if i put the motor in it it would run 5.50's since it only way's 2680.....well i have not go to the 5.50's on motor yet.the best it's ran is 5.77 at 120. so i droped over 1000 pounds but did not lose 1 tenth per 100 pounds....but i do have a diff tran's and gear....went from a 400 to a powerglide and from 4.56 to 4.86

406-PARISIENNE
Aug 26th, 06, 6:01 AM
The new car is a 68 Firebird running my 406 exactly the same as it came out of my Parisienne. The Parisienne was running a 3000 stall , Turbo 350 & 3.55 open centre 12 bolt & street tyres when it run the times it did. I am hoping that the Firebird will run into the low 12's somewhere between 110 - 115mph with the lower weight , 3.73's , slicks & more aerodynamic body style. It will be a few months off yet before it is finished though. Do you guys think this is possible.

scotty
Aug 26th, 06, 6:38 AM
He is wondering about MPH, not E.T.

Harold Sutton
Aug 26th, 06, 7:38 AM
The new car is a 68 Firebird running my 406 exactly the same as it came out of my Parisienne. The Parisienne was running a 3000 stall , Turbo 350 & 3.55 open centre 12 bolt & street tyres when it run the times it did. I am hoping that the Firebird will run into the low 12's somewhere between 110 - 115mph with the lower weight , 3.73's , slicks & more aerodynamic body style. It will be a few months off yet before it is finished though. Do you guys think this is possible. The transmission will hurt you. A 400 Turbo is .11 slower than a 350 Turbo and unless you gut the Firebird it is only going to be about 3100-3200 lbs. What is the weight of the car you now run? A posi track rear end is worth a couple of tenths and a Firebird bites pretty good with Cal Tracs on other traction bars installed. You need way more gear than 3.73's. Something along the lines of 4.33 or 4.56 would make a lot of difference. Mid twelves at about 107-109 MPH would be more like it. Find out what the exact weight of your present car is and get back to us so we can make an accurate prediction.

Harold Sutton
Aug 26th, 06, 7:43 AM
i don't know the rule but i do know that i had my 496 in a 3750 pound 66 olds 442 and it ran 6.50's in the 8th.i bought my vega thinking if i put the motor in it it would run 5.50's since it only way's 2680.....well i have not go to the 5.50's on motor yet.the best it's ran is 5.77 at 120. so i droped over 1000 pounds but did not lose 1 tenth per 100 pounds....but i do have a diff tran's and gear....went from a 400 to a powerglide and from 4.56 to 4.86 Not meaning to hijack this thread but what did you do with the 442? You can P.M. me if you like.

mr 4 speed
Aug 26th, 06, 7:48 AM
I don't think you'll pick up 10 MPH going from a A body to an F body

406-PARISIENNE
Aug 26th, 06, 9:05 AM
The weight of my old car was a little over 4400 pounds. This is going to be a very streetable car so I will not be putting any more diff gearing in it than 3.73.

383Malibu
Aug 26th, 06, 11:41 AM
In your performance range, going from 4400# to 3400#, everything else remaining the same, you should pick up 9-10 mph.

Doug F.
Aug 26th, 06, 4:38 PM
I agree with Roger, in a 11-12 second car in the 3000-4000 range, 100 lbs could be .1 and 1 mph.

406-PARISIENNE
Aug 27th, 06, 5:19 AM
This is what the combination was that I had in my Parisienne & the times that it ran. I have also put down the changes I have made for the new car , what do you guys reckon it will run & what sort of power do you think the motor is making ?

1967 Parisienne ( 4400 pounds )
406 standard stroke crank with 5.7" rods
TRW flat tops total 9.85:1 comp
Dart Sportsman 2's with 2.02 & 1.6 valves & some port work
Solid cam 495 lift at valve , 110 lobe separation , 238 @ 50 , 268 advertised , intake opens @ 28 & closes @ 60 , exhaust opens @ 68 & closes @ 20.
Performer RPM intake with 1" open spacer
830 double pumper Holley
1.75" 4 into 1 extractors / headers into a 3" collector into a 2.5" x pipe into 2.5" straight through mufflers
2200 converter
Turbo 350 with a hard shift
3.55 open centre 12 bolt
Koni street shocks all round ( set hard )
275 / 60 / 15 BF Goodrich street tyres
2.069 60 foot
5.706 330 foot
8.669 660 foot @ 82.64mph
1000 foot 11.239s
13.409s @ 103.98mph

New car is a 68 Firebird ( not sure on the weight yet , should be lighter than standard as it will now have a small block but I am thinking around the 3200 - 3300 pound mark )
Engine is exactly the same as before
Has a 3000 stall in it
Turbo 400 instead of the 350
Will have a pair of 2.5" Hooker Aero Chambers on it
3.73 Posi Lock
Will also have a set of Koni street shocks
Running a 26" x 8" slick

Once I have run the car in a few months I will get back onto this post to let you all know how it went.

Harold Sutton
Aug 27th, 06, 10:00 AM
This is what the combination was that I had in my Parisienne & the times that it ran. I have also put down the changes I have made for the new car , what do you guys reckon it will run & what sort of power do you think the motor is making ?

1967 Parisienne ( 4400 pounds )
406 standard stroke crank with 5.7" rods
TRW flat tops total 9.85:1 comp
Dart Sportsman 2's with 2.02 & 1.6 valves & some port work
Solid cam 495 lift at valve , 110 lobe separation , 238 @ 50 , 268 advertised , intake opens @ 28 & closes @ 60 , exhaust opens @ 68 & closes @ 20.
Performer RPM intake with 1" open spacer
830 double pumper Holley
1.75" 4 into 1 extractors / headers into a 3" collector into a 2.5" x pipe into 2.5" straight through mufflers
2200 converter
Turbo 350 with a hard shift
3.55 open centre 12 bolt
Koni street shocks all round ( set hard )
275 / 60 / 15 BF Goodrich street tyres
2.069 60 foot
5.706 330 foot
8.669 660 foot @ 82.64mph
1000 foot 11.239s
13.409s @ 103.98mph

New car is a 68 Firebird ( not sure on the weight yet , should be lighter than standard as it will now have a small block but I am thinking around the 3200 - 3300 pound mark )
Engine is exactly the same as before
Has a 3000 stall in it
Turbo 400 instead of the 350
Will have a pair of 2.5" Hooker Aero Chambers on it
3.73 Posi Lock
Will also have a set of Koni street shocks
Running a 26" x 8" slick

Once I have run the car in a few months I will get back onto this post to let you all know how it went. Is the big car like a '67 Impala? Just wondering how it got so heavy with such a light engine, sounds kinda screwy if it was an "A" body, like a Chevelle or GTO.

406-PARISIENNE
Aug 27th, 06, 8:54 PM
It is like an Impala. It is the car in my Username picture on the left. 4 door pillarless tank. 1965 Kgs with a full tank of fuel with no driver.

boldm
Aug 28th, 06, 12:21 PM
I say you will pick up 8 - 10 mph, and shave more than 1 sec off your et, likely to a 12.0 - 12.2 as long as you can make it hook. A higher stall would drop you into the 11's.