I will be purchasing my new Goodmark quarters from a reputable dealer this weekend. graemlins/hurray.gif I have read in here that sometimes things are boxed in a Goodmark box but that necessarily does not guarantee that they are genuine Goodmark panels. My question is, Is there any markings or identifing numbers that I can look for besides the box to determine that these are genuine Goodmark panels? Thank you for your help

yea thats easy they will all have gm stickers on them goodmark is the only one thats made on old gm molds

I bought a Goodmark 1/2 quarter and was VERY dissapointed. Arrived in a "korean" box and was very thin, not shaped correctly at the countor/detail line area, I wouldn't touch another 1/2 quarter of theirs with a ten foot pole. Full quarters from what I hear are another story...VERY nice, original GM tooling on Correct guage steel..

JMHO..

Scot

A lot of stuff is passed off as goodmark.. i don't know if they would go so far to put it in a good mark box... but who knows.

WHen i got rear ended last year- i called some vendors about tailgate skins... All said they were good mark- I ordered from NPD- got it, and it was in a "GoldenStar" made in korea box...

While the skin was good- and my body guy used it- it was most definitly NOT a GoodMark panel... :mad:

If they are the full quarter panel, they are Goodmark. Goodmark is the only producer of these panels. Actually, they are made by GM in the GM dies, and distributed by Goodmark.

I have to disagree guys.GM does not make Goodmark sheetmetal.Its all stamped offshore.Supposedly the old GM dies were bought, refurbished and then were used to restamp new panels.Goodmarks do not have GM stickers on it.Goodmark is not the only company that makes full quarters either.Dynacorn International also makes them. There is some speculation that all the quarters, hoods fenders ect. are stamped by the same company and then distributed by different companies like Goodmark,OER,Dynacorn,Sherman ect. with each company having different levels of quality control.

Goodmark is NOT the only company making full Quarters.I'm a Goodmark dealer and i can tell you there is a difference. I would get it right from www.goodmarkindustries.com (http://www.goodmarkindustries.com) if you can't find a dealer.Just for reference here a picture of a quarter made by Dynacorn International right off there website. - http://www.dynacorn.com/i/prod/1475.gif

Here is a Goodmark-

The difference in the sail panel is obvious. I know for a fact NPD sells Golden Legion and Dynacorn. I used a door skin from them and it wasn't a Goodmark but it wasn't too bad. Also NPD offers the quarter with the short sail so that tells me its a Dynacorn.
http://www.goodmarkindustries.com/grphx/GM%20Car%20Photos/4033-601-70L.jpg

Then I guess what I was told by the owner, when I was at Goodmark warehouse in Lawrenceville, was a lie then.

It must have been because if GM made them in their dies they would be GM quarters Right? Why would GM stamp them and let Goodmark put their name on a GM quarter? And since when does GM make their sheetmetal in Taiwan?

All of this stuff that Goodmark has is GM licenced stuff. GM restoration puts their ok on certain products with their name. This amounts to little more than products that are endorsed by GM Restoration. The Goodmark Quarter is one of them, if you look at their website, each item that is has the logo next to it. Those that don't typically are of lesser quality. This is really no different that most items in cars today. Your GM car interior is likely made by Johnson Controls. Most car parts are made by a third party for GM. These days GM is more of an assembler and integrator than a manufacuter.

Just to put this one to rest...

GM stamps the quarters on their old tooling at one of their stamping facilities here in Detroit. They, however, do not own these dies anymore. They just do they stamping of these panels in between runs of new cars (they run these maybe twice a year). They are then shipped out to places like Goodmark, Original Parts Group, and Sherman's (which is right here in Metro Detroit; but I believe Sherman's is a dealer for Goodmark anyway) who then sell these full quarters. I'm not sure who actually owns the dies, though. It may be a conglomeration.

I can say this because I have been to the stamping facility (business for my company) and saw the dies myself.

Crankshaft

Thanks, Crankshaft. There was a company that was having the panels stamped before Goodmark took over, and they and GM had a falling out. GM then took their dies back, contacted Goodmark, and they(goodmark) took over the licensing and distribution rights. Goodmark distributes them to all the parts sellers. NPD has trailers that sit at the warehouse in Ga. and get filled with orders as needed. Ricks First Gen. Camaro parts gets deliveries from Goodmark weekly, as does Year One. I go to the warehouse and hand pick my own parts.I get the good ones before anyone else! tongue.gif

Crankshaft what year Chevelle does GM still stamp quarters for ? I e-mailed Goodmark about quarters and sheetmetal for a 1966 SS. Their response was that a few parts are made off GM tooling ( did not say which parts were made on GM tooling )but most have been retooled and that GM has scrapped most of the original tooling and that most of their parts are stamped overseas off steel tooling. Their reasons for producing overseas are cost and believe it or not, the quality is better ( their words ). I have been trying to find out who makes the quarters for some of the other suppliers Ausleys,OPG,NPD etc. DYNACORN DII makes parts for Groundup,OPG,YEAR ONE,HARMONS,AUSLEYS and THE PADDOCK. AUSLEYS claim to get their quarters from the same company that make Goodmark's quarters but Dynacorn says they do not stamp anything for Goodmark. Dynacorn also said that Goodmark quarters are stamped in the US off original GM tooling but Goodmark did not come right out and say their quarters are stamped off GM original tooling ! Wouldn't this be a big selling point ? NPD gets their quarters from a company called GOLDEN LEGION. With a limited budget I am trying to get the most bang for the buck and still get the best quality part. Any help in finding the best quality parts would be appreciated . Sorry for the long post ALMAC

The only ones still stamped on the original tooling from what I saw are the 70-72 models.

The quality MAY actually be better on the ones overseas, believe it or not (for the other years 64-69)!
Don't forget there is a lot of new CNC technology that far surpasses stuff from 30+ years ago. The original 70-72 dies are a kinda ratty and worn (considering they've had at least a couple hundred thousand panels stamped on them!), but they are still useable.

In the Goodmark catalog it does state that these (70-72) are made from original tooling, so they are using it as a selling point.

Maybe some of the folks in here who've done 66 Chevelles can give you their thoughts on what they've come across. I have a 72, so I'm not really familiar with that model year, sorry.

Crankshaft

Thank you all for your responses. I picked up my quarters last weekend and I will update you when I get them installed, which will be at the end of the month. They are the full quarters from goodmark.

Well I just order a quarter from NPD full OE style with sail panel for my 66. He said that they are made by classic for Goodmark. I don't know who classic is but he said they were made for them. The price was $319.95 plus tax. Going to pick it up tomarrow and he assured me if anything was wrong or didn't fit well that it could be returned. We will see. Good price if it is a good product. I will let you know shortly. graemlins/clonk.gif

Just don't forget autoshopping rule #1

Remember anytime anyone is selling anything you can only beleive about half of what the say

Hey guys

I've been waiting for a discussion like this!

I've got a '70 that has a repro left front fender on it (had it when I got the car). It didn't take the paint - and/or the painter did a bad job - when the fender was replaced by a prior owner. It's very noticeable when you look at the car. Also, I replaced the inner fenders over the winter and my original right front had a threaded bolt welded into the inside of the fender for easy attachments, while the left front didn't. I had to improvise.

Since there's a lot variability in quality on these repoped parts, what's the view on Goodmark fenders? Are their fenders as good as their full quarters? Are fenders stamped on the old GM dyes? Do they come with the threaded bolts welded in for the inner fenders to attach to?

Thanks!

Andy

Andy. When I bought my '72 2-1/2 years ago, I ordered new Goodmark fenders. I waited 8 mos. for them while they were retooling the 70-72 dies. It was worth the wait. They fit perfectly, and I had no problems at all, and I had never hung a fender before in my life. (I had a lot of help from reading MARTINSR's "Basics of Basics" on body panels ;) ). And yes, they do have the weldnuts on top for the inner fenders.

I too bought goodmarks but for a 70, bought a pair. I had no fitment problems what so ever. The differences Ive seen the goodmarks were the style of nuts and spot welds. If I remember right the OEM fenders, the nuts were square, goodmarks had kinda of a 6 sided nut. Also the size of the spot welds were abit smaller. OEM welds ran in the neighbor hood of 5/16, goodmark roughly 1/4, but each fender had the same amount of welds-I even counted!!! graemlins/sad.gif I have some pics on the link
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/sevt_chevelles
But I will say this I was scammed by the dealer, they tried to pass off DII or dyancorn fenders as goodmarks, they make more on DII fenders. The fit was terrible, you could throw a cat thro the gaps, looked wavy and metal was very thin. I called up goodmark and complained, they asked for the part number and they told me that part number was not listed as a goodmark fender but DII graemlins/angry.gif

So I called up the dealer and got the run around til I told them what I heard from goodmark. They picked up those fenders Free of charge and knocked some off the goodmarks. I wonder how many times that scam has been passed??...Eric

I just have to throw in my $.02 worth on this... just because.....Why won't Goodmark get on this site and solve this mystery?? Surely, they have someone idleing the time away at his desk down in GA that cruises this site on a regular basis. I would think that they, if anyone, would want people to know where and how their product is being made.

And for Crankshaft,
I don't want to start a feud or anything but, if, GM can get $800 to $1000 for an NOS quarter stamped at their facility, why in God's name would they stamp a $450 quarter for somebody else at their plant. It does not seem that they have that time available to change out a production run from 2003 sheet metal and retool for 1972 sheet metal "a couple times a year." :confused: Can you expound on this a little bit? I do not see where it is cost effective for GM....

Mike