My car's latest paint job is showing its age and cheapness. The previous owner or my car didnt take much care of the paint and now some of it just isnt holding up. I have cracks and places were the paint peeled off and such. Also, someone in my own household backed into my pass. side quarter and didn't admitt it. So now the paint is cracked up right there and the water gets trapped in the cracks. I also got side swipped by a lifted hemi ram and my drivers side is scratched up and cracked. With all the various cracks and scratches, i'm tired of the paint job.

I want to sand off the top coat and just coat the car in black primer. My question is, what type of primer should i shoot it with if i know for sure the car won't be getting a paint job for at least a couple year and will be driven DAILY and parked outside everynight. I was also thinking of spraying a FLAT clear coat over it so that i would be a ble to wash/wax the car once in a while also.

Thanks.

PPGs Dp 90

so they do make a flat black?!!!!!! dammit. my shop teacher told me they dont make a flat black primer. i was wanting to do mine flat, but we ended up doing it semi gloss. oh, we only spray dupont, so that might be the problem.

aaron

your shop teacher doesnt know anything.
Many flat black primers out there.
PPG's would be DPLF90 or DP90LF, depends on how the store's computer is set up, Ive seen it labeled both ways.
Valspar also makes a flat black epoxy primer in the VP40 and VP50 epoxies.
Those are just to name a few...eric

yeah my friends and i somtimes think that. he said they dont make the flat black anymore. so he got some codes to make a flat black, but it came out semi gloss.

maybe dupont doesnt have any flat black primers. thats all we spray is dupont.

oh well, after i get dont w/ my new hood, and get a new fender, its going flat most likly. the kid who painted my car, did a crappy job. if i would of waited a day longer, i could of done it myself and had a better job, there are sooooo many light spots it aint funny.

aaron

So Sevt, what kind of primer do you think would be best for my needs?

Well first off you NEED to remove any cracking/peeling paint. Paint over that will just result in a failure, so sand them out.

By far epoxy primer would be the choice of weapon. Epoxy is a great sealant from the elements.

Pretty much all paint companies make an epoxy primer. All thou they might not all be black.
PPG, Valspar make a black epoxy and I believe Sherwin Williams does as well.

Alright, thanks.

Yeah, I was planning on sanding off all of my silver paint and the top coat of primer that is under that too.

I'm guessing that after i mask off and remove things i don't want painted, i shoot the car with epoxy. What do you think about shooting a flat clear over the epoxy primer? or is the expoxy enough on its own?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all primers susceptible to UV light and will break down from overexposure? I think I read about this in a street rodder magazine once, they were talking about how these guys with rods going for the "in primer" look, were actually just using black topcoats and flattening the heck out of them to get the look of black primer.

Yeah, that's why i was thinking maybe a clearcoat would be a good idea.

I might even shoot black top coat and flat clear also, except i think the primer would be cheaper. And cheaper is what i'm looking for right now.

Originally posted by snydes:
they were talking about how these guys with rods going for the "in primer" look, were actually just using black topcoats and flattening the heck out of them to get the look of black primer. That's what we did to my brother's "rat rod". We used Black Acrylic Enamel and added a ton of flattener. It doesn't look good by any means, but its good enough for a rusty '60 impala 4-door.

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/Derek69SS/60after.JPG

Im using Martin Senours Tech Prime. It's an acrylic urethane primer. I think they have 26 different colors plus you can have it tinted to your likings if you want. All you need is the paint, some 5051 hardner, and some of there thinner depending on what temperature it is when you paint. Here is a picture of it so far. BTW you can put it thru as much sun, dirt, rain as you want and it wont fade. http://community.webshots.com/photo/85194855/169277207iVaAXI It's kinda spendy if your going to just "cover up stuff", but im doing it permanent. I think it was under $200 for a gallon with hardner and thinner. Has to last me throughout the rest of college anyways which is still prolly 4 years haha.

Can you spray epoxy over filler? or do you have to prime with something else over filler then spray epoxy?

^^^^^

I need to know about the filler too, as i suspect my car has oodles of filler.

And for Sevt or MARTINSR or any other body man, what do you guys think about that Martin Seneour system mentioned above?

Yes, epoxy can be sprayed over filler.

Epoxy can be sprayted over filler.
As for not being UV protected, yes epoxy and all other primers dont have UV protection built in them. Its not their job to protect agaisnt UV rays.
Epoxy when exposed to UV will start to chaulk or turn whitish, but will have very little to NO ill affect on its performance.
Urethane primers will also do the same but they are not as "element" resisant as epoxy primers so an epoxy primer would be by far a better choice.
That M-S tech prime would be an urethane primer.

Ive reading some really great stuff about this epoxy primer on a different board, backed up with facts and numbers, which I like! Several guys who are in the resto biz have been using it and all claim its far superior to any epoxy on the market. I believe for a gallon of black its 50 bucks and the same for the hardner.
You get 2 gallons of product for 100 bucks, I doubt you will find a better deal then that!!

http://www.southernpolyurethanes.com/index.htm