The spec sheet said no later then 72 hours but I was wondering what pro body guys do in the real world? What's the real window? The paint is Lesonal B/C

Thanks!

Real world = Tech sheet IMO.

yeah I know the spec sheet is the way to go, I was just wondering if body shops always hold to that? What do you risk or what can you get away with?

Thanks!

TEECH sheet.. it's cost to much money to redo a job... Plus the bad rep for anything you have to REWORK..
so in the Real World it's Follow the TECH SHEET.

Originally posted by hilljack:
yeah I know the spec sheet is the way to go, I was just wondering if body shops always hold to that? What do you risk or what can you get away with?

Thanks! You risk your clear peeling from the basecoat.

Hummmm every time Ive done something agaist the tech sheet its come back to HAUNT me.

PRO BODY TECHS follow the sheet PRO BACK WOODS WANNA BE'S dont

Edit: they dont put what they put in those tech sheets just for sh!ts and giggles or cause they have no clue, its cus they spent count less hrs and millions testing and researching what works with that.

I have no clue what anyone plans on gaining from going outside the sheets. Sorry to sound like a HARD ARSE but its the TRUTH...Eric

The body man I know says he's left base for a week or more and he's never had clear peel. I think some clear is even spec'd at less than 72 hours. He doesn't usually do this though. Usually he puts the clear on right after base flashes. And this information won't help you if your clear peels anyways.

Usually a shop will have the car or parts in the booth all ready to be painted so why would they not do the base and clear at the same time? You probably won't find many (any?) shops that leave the base only for any length of time before clearing. Only in some strange circumstance does this happen at a shop.

Peter

well the reason I was asking is that my bodyman base coated on friday and said he was going to clear on saturday but I don't know for sure what he did?

thanks for the info guys.

John

That is a little odd because there is little time needed between base and clear so there is no reason to leave it overnight. Usually, a pro will mix the clear right after the base and get the painting over with all at once unless the base was showing problems and needed to be fixed.

Peter

Originally posted by Peter F.:
The body man I know says he's left base for a week or more and he's never had clear peel.
Peter Boy have I heard that sort of comment a million times. It was usually a little different, "I always leave my base on a week or more before clearing and this is the first failure" smile.gif

First of all he doesn't know that he has not had a clear peel, he just knows that he doesn't have knowledge of the failure. That doesn't mean that it hasn't happened.

I found that you can "drift" from the tech sheets lots of times on every point. The problem is this, YOU have control, only over what you understand. If you don't understand something and drift from the tech sheet, well than you are not in control of the outcome.

So, this painter knows he is in control on that particular issue. He can wait because he has done it many times and never had his clear peel. How about when "all the planets are aligned"? In other words how about when he has drifted all the way to the limits of a few other recommendations? For instance, the solvent he is using is recommended for 70-85 degrees and it is 85 that day. So, all the other times he had done this the temp was 80. Now, this time the "planets are aligned" and he is waiting too long PLUS the solvent is going to flash faster than every other time he got away with waiting too long to clear. Now there is another factor. How about we add another one? How about he shot the clear at a little bit higher pressure this time, just a tiny bit where he didn't notice. Then the clear would be flashing that much faster. You have the too "cold" of solvent, the faster flashing AND the too long of time between the base and clear. Do you see where I am going with this?

THAT is why someone can do the wrong thing time after time and not have a problem. One day it WILL catch up with them. When that day comes the will not understand why, they will blame the product and a million other things. But never know why because they don't really understand the product.

Just follow the darn tech sheet have fewer problems, PERIOD.

Originally posted by Peter F.:
The body man I know says he's left base for a week or more and he's never had clear peel.

Peter I know a guy that jumped off a 40 foot bridge into the Delaware river and lived,i guess its safe to do then?
:confused:

Originally posted by boomhauer:
I know a guy that jumped off a 40 foot bridge into the Delaware river and lived,i guess its safe to do then?
:confused: Why do you think I put "And this information won't help you if your clear peels anyways." No need to be an ass about it :rolleyes:

I did say he has left base for long periods before clearing. Notice the "he has" not he always does. It would likely be a custom job or his own stuff that may get left because the repair jobs usually pay more and get priority. But none of these people have come back with their stuff. He's left some of his own stuff too.

MARTINSR's comments are better. It's quite true that you can deviate and not get caught for a while but it will eventually catch up with you. One question. If someone is saying that he "always" leaves his clear for a week how is he getting any work done? That means he's got 4 or 5 cars half painted in his shop?

How it came up was when we were talking about doing flames and other custom painting and then clearing it afterwards. He told me he wouldn't be concerned about leaving the base by itself for a while until it was all down and ready for the clear.

Peter

Standox paint has an indefinite window,great for doing custom work,I always clear right away so never tried it!!! Mike