who or where can i get the worm proof template that will place my emblems in the right spot? thanks again michael

Theres a post with the assembly manual pages for the ss and 454 emblems on here from a while back. Was pretty easy to make a template from there. Should be fairly easy to find with the search function. If not PM me your e-mail and i'll send them to you.

I don't have mine in front of me, but maybe you can find that info in the free resoration manual that GM offers. http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/35/123.html? Even if they don't, it's still cool to have.

I'm hosting a few images on my server, of the pages from a '72 Chevelle assembly manual. '70 emblem placement should be identical. You'll be looking for the 2nd and 3rd diagram shown HERE (http://www.71protouringchevelle.com/technicalinfo.htm)

yes thanks for the schmatic drawings. but i read in the searches that there were some templates being mailed around. seems that would be more accurate than me trying to measure 3.21 and 1.38 well you get the picture . thanks anyway michael

I agree with this. I have the assembly manuals, pictures, and all the drawings, but trying to measure it exactly is a PITA

I have had on order now (through my builder) a template for this from Ground UP for well over 3 months (Ground UP lost the order when they put in their new software system and now claims the order was placed only a month ago)

around 10 days ago I called them and they said the template was being printed and that we'd have it by this week. I call today and they say sorry, it's still going to be 7-10 days, their going to be printed this thursday. unbelievable.

My car is FINISHED, except for the SS and 454 badges. Almost 2 years in this process and it SUCKS that I'm stuck now waiting for just this and that Ground UP can't seem to deliver on their word at all.

Does anybody have one of these that I can buy, borrow, or steal? PLEASE?

THANKS

WOW!

don't know if posting here helped or not, but I literally JUST got a return call from Ground UP and David there said we looked in our trailer and found one (template)!!! :) going to ship out today! excellent.

talk about the power of the pen....THANKS Team Chevelle ;)

I agree with this. I have the assembly manuals, pictures, and all the drawings, but trying to measure it exactly is a PITA

I have had on order now (through my builder) a template for this from Ground UP for well over 3 months (Ground UP lost the order when they put in their new software system and now claims the order was placed only a month ago)

around 10 days ago I called them and they said the template was being printed and that we'd have it by this week. I call today and they say sorry, it's still going to be 7-10 days, their going to be printed this thursday. unbelievable.

My car is FINISHED, except for the SS and 454 badges. Almost 2 years in this process and it SUCKS that I'm stuck now waiting for just this and that Ground UP can't seem to deliver on their word at all.

Does anybody have one of these that I can buy, borrow, or steal? PLEASE?

THANKS

I would look at it close before I drilled any holes. I ordered one from ground up and once in place everything looked a little high. I measured a friend of mines car that had the original fenders and badges and it was high about 1 1/2 to 2 inches. All of the holes were in the correct place as far as spacing.

I would look at it close before I drilled any holes. I ordered one from ground up and once in place everything looked a little high. I measured a friend of mines car that had the original fenders and badges and it was high about 1 1/2 to 2 inches. All of the holes were in the correct place as far as spacing.

OMG, please tell me your kidding. you would think that Ground UP would have a correct template, hell that's why we've been waiting for this so we could make sure it's correct. hmmm....this isn't good. I saw a drawing here (picture) of the measurements for a 69 fender. Would the 70 be the exact same? grrr....back to the drawing board again. I'll call my builder and tell him to double check. thanks for the heads up.

the only measurement i cant find is in relation to the top of the fender down, for height/centering. were they placed "at random" from the factory? what is the distance from the crease at the top of the fender down to the top of the SS emblems? (a notted piece of string works good)

OMG, please tell me your kidding. you would think that Ground UP would have a correct template, hell that's why we've been waiting for this so we could make sure it's correct. hmmm....this isn't good. I saw a drawing here (picture) of the measurements for a 69 fender. Would the 70 be the exact same? grrr....back to the drawing board again. I'll call my builder and tell him to double check. thanks for the heads up.

We actually use it on my '72 and my brothers '70. I only have one pic of my brothers car on my cig so it may be hard to see but it is alittle higher than my '72. I welded the holes up and moved it down I know at least a inch and a half. As far as them being "at random" I beleive that as well. The car I used as reference were different on both sides??? I would just look at a lot of cars and see where they "looked good to me". The '69's would not be correct (way too high) the template form GU is almost that high. Like I said, the spacing is correct all you will have to do is adjust where you want it. I came down 13 inches from the top of the fender to the top of the "S" and over 4 and 3/4 inches from the door side of the fender to the side of the "S".

OK, what i think I am going to do with this template then is to use it for the holes only and not for height or distance at all (which sucks IMO, but you got to do what you got to do)

I've printed everything i can find here and I have the assembly manual, so it's off to the shop tomorrow morning to formulate a plan...sheesh.

why does this have to be so hard? why can't somebody make an accurate template for my car? you would think this would be easier, no?

Have you seen this picture ?
I can't remember who posted it :o
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8391&d=1185451454

Mikes72ss posted the picture, I was a little slow to get it posted.

yes, I have this picture and I am taking it with me tomorrow. That is a right hand fender, and it helps. Too bad the measurements for the LH fender won't be the same. I've been studying the assembly manual page on this and the height is easily determined (although different in the spec from LH to RH)

Height of the topmost holes should be 18.72" from the bottom of the fender (20 - 1.28) (20 - 1.15 LH??)

On the RH fender as shown above the top left hole should be 4.13" from the back edge of the fender(5 - .87) (the pictures states this measurement as 5 3/16)

I'm confused. I am assuming that the start points in the assembly manual are indeed 5" from the back edges of the fenders and 20" from the bottom, no?

On the LH side, the top most left hole appears to be 6.56" from the back edge (5 + 1.56)

I'm no engineer, but that's the way the specs read to me from the assembly manual. I know this photo is from a real SS 70 fender, but it doesn't match specs to me. *sigh*

Nonecks template I just got for the same side as above is indeed 7 2/16" from the bodyline down, and 5 3/16" over to the topmost left hole.

SO, I will start my holes on the RH passenger side at 5 3/16" from the back and 7 2/16" from the bodyline (or 18.72" from the bottom)

since the holes are .24 apart when you flip the template over (it's the reverse way on the other side according to noneck) for the drivers side it should then be 4 15/16" from the back side of the fender for the LH, no? (5 3/16" - 4/16")

wouldn't the holes be in the same direction ( < < ) for the emblems on both sides? I think noneck has it wrong? unless the emblems are different from LH to RH

i was wondering about measurement of the top crease of fender because i am working on a 70 el camino (no side crease in fender) but i guess i could measure up from bottom. if any guys could take a pic with a tailors/seamstress meas. tape attached to a car with correct badge placement -LH & RH sides -and post it, that might help a few of us. I would appreciate it, thx. john.

I made a set of templates using the numbers from the assembly manual. It took me a while to figure out the starting points (Reference Points) but through a couple searches here and some other pages in the manual and I fgured it out.

The baseline numbers are taken from a zero point when the car is in its "cradle" on the assembly line. Zero left to right is actually the firewall of the car. It just so happens to be about the back of the fender. The vertical zero is actually below the rocker of the car and is the centerline of the axles. This can change over the years as suspensions are modified or sag so you can't go by that on a restoration. I calculated an offset to the bottom of my fender for the template.

After I made the templates and hung them on the car I compared it to the dimesions in Mikes72ss picture and found them to be very close so I called it good. You would be fine using the dimensions in the picture.

CIT, you mentioned that you thought the holes would be in the same direction but they are not. GM uses the same SS and CID emblems on the left and the right. The center holes on all of these emblems orient them. SS emblems are slightly different top and bottom. It assures that they are always face up.

1972convss454, you stated that the car you used as a reference was different side to side. When I made my templates I found that the vertical location in the assembly manual was designed different on each side of the car. I also found that in 71-72 GM changed the numbers in the assembly manual so that they were even.
I have no idea why 70 was different. I made my templates to the 70 spec and added a reference line for adjustment if I have to use them on a 71-72

OH, you want the other side?
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s228/deancall/Team/70fender_emblems_left.jpg

:D :D :D

This IS a joke by the way.

Try This place, I bought and used on on my chevelle works great and you can reuse it! :yes:

http://www.thepartsplaceinc.com/newproducts.asp?SearchText=template&Search=Search

Try This place, I bought and used on on my chevelle works great and you can reuse it! :yes:

http://www.thepartsplaceinc.com/newproducts.asp?SearchText=template&Search=Search


was that universal 68-72 template marked for the different years? 69 is not same as 70, etc etc. just curious

OH, you want the other side?


:D :D :D

This IS a joke by the way.


ROFLMAO :) good one.

we have decided to use the 7 2/16 and 5 3/16 guide lines with the GU template. Should work out OK I hope.

I made a set of templates using the numbers from the assembly manual. It took me a while to figure out the starting points (Reference Points) but through a couple searches here and some other pages in the manual and I fgured it out.

The baseline numbers are taken from a zero point when the car is in its "cradle" on the assembly line. Zero left to right is actually the firewall of the car. It just so happens to be about the back of the fender. The vertical zero is actually below the rocker of the car and is the centerline of the axles. This can change over the years as suspensions are modified or sag so you can't go by that on a restoration. I calculated an offset to the bottom of my fender for the template.

After I made the templates and hung them on the car I compared it to the dimesions in Mikes72ss picture and found them to be very close so I called it good. You would be fine using the dimensions in the picture.

CIT, you mentioned that you thought the holes would be in the same direction but they are not. GM uses the same SS and CID emblems on the left and the right. The center holes on all of these emblems orient them. SS emblems are slightly different top and bottom. It assures that they are always face up.

1972convss454, you stated that the car you used as a reference was different side to side. When I made my templates I found that the vertical location in the assembly manual was designed different on each side of the car. I also found that in 71-72 GM changed the numbers in the assembly manual so that they were even.
I have no idea why 70 was different. I made my templates to the 70 spec and added a reference line for adjustment if I have to use them on a 71-72


you don't by chance sell the template do you? I'll let everyone know how the GU template worked out sometime soon.

CIT, sorry I don't sell them. I made them up for my own use.
They wouldn't be good for drilling anyway. Actually put the emblems in the holes of the template and then trimmed the template around the perimeter of the emblems.
I didn't drill my fenders, I ground off the posts and bonded them to the fender with trim and emblem tape.

To avoid buying premade templets, I just made one in geometry sketchpad. All exact measurements based on the ass. man. Hope this helps.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5/ss454templet.png