Anybody here familar with Glock pistols? Which is smaller, the model 23 or the model 27. Is one referred to as the mini Glock? Anybody have either?? How do you like it?

The 27 is smaller than the 23. It's a great gun.
Mike

Even the mini glocks are large. What are you looking for this gun for? If it's for concealed carry there are a lot better choices.

I fired the 23 (father-in-laws) at the range. ~20-30 rounds. Glock is a good gun.....

It felt small, but this was his "car carry" gun. I think I would have prefered the "24".

I don't plan on carring a gun, once I have completed my "concealed carry". I am partial to the "34" (cheaper ammo and I rent it most often at the range), but probably range shooting and the occasional tourney is what I would use it for.

What do you want it for?

Isn't there a swap kit to make it a .22 without much hassle for the range?
http://advantagearms.com/conversion_kit.html

I am looking for something easy to carry.

Glocks shoot good but there is no push, flip or grip safety just that trigger thing. Scares me away every time I think about buying one.

Can't get much easier to carry than THIS (http://www.kel-tec.com/p3at.html)

Glocks shoot good but there is no push, flip or grip safety just that trigger thing. Scares me away every time I think about buying one.

That's why I don't like them at all. There's no indication if the gun is cocked either. I prefer the "old style" pistols with exposed hammers, or at least a visible firing pin. Loaded chamber indicator is a great plus as well. I want to know the status of the gun by looking at it.

Glocks also have a bad tendancy to jam... Double action only auto's really don't need a safety since you can't cock them. Another problem with a Glock is that in order to take it apart to clean you need to drop the mag and clear the chamber. Except many people wrack the slide, then drop the mag and assume the chamber is clear.

I bought a glock 36 for CCW, then realized it was too large most of the time, and have moved to the kel-tec P3at. The Kel-tec can be difficult to find, and the trigger is absolutely horrible, however it is a very concealable weapon. The Glock I use when I KNOW I might be in a bad area, and printing isn't so much of an issue.
The Kel-Tec is what I would use in a very close scenario, like less than 20 feet. The Glock will be good out to at least 50 and have a reasonable chance of hitting a human sized target. Hopefully if they are that far away you have an escape route! The Kel-tec isn't very accurate, but again its for close up situations.
I am also from the other camp regarding safeties. I employ trigger dicipline, and I don't need to remember to turn off a safety should I need to deploy my weapon in a hurry. Keep your booger hook off the bang switch, and you will be fine.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Glock, and can also highly recommend the Kel-tec P3at with a pocket holster for the utmost concealment.

Glocks also have a bad tendancy to jam... Double action only auto's really don't need a safety since you can't cock them. Another problem with a Glock is that in order to take it apart to clean you need to drop the mag and clear the chamber. Except many people wrack the slide, then drop the mag and assume the chamber is clear.

I have a Glock 31 and have never had it jam on me and my friend has a 17 and the only time his jammed was when we had some low quality ammo. I was kind of wooried about the no external saftey thing at first but you can look at the trigger and tell if the guns cocked.

I worked for the place that has more Glocks than any other in the world and I watched many jam up next to me on the firing line. Every time we'd go to the range it seems as though they'd have a new procedure or the glocks were making a trip to the gunsmith to have something fixed.

Unless your in law enforcement, or even if you are, your gun is a last resort. I always carried a snub nosed .38 as a backup and I was well aware that anything over 10 yards I had a better chance of hitting them with a rock. Shooting at a paper target and a person are 2 totally different things... I'd still rather carry the 38 but I have the ex wife who loves to make things up when she doesn't get her way (use your imagination...) If you are ever going to have to use it you'll be able to see the blood vessles in the whites of their eyes....

Glocks definitely do not have a jamming problem. If a Glock is jamming on you then either it's EXTREMELY dirty or you're using some bizarro ammo with it.

I have seen a 45 cal Glock jam round after round on one guy and fire clip after clip in another guy's hand 30 seconds later. A dealer/instructor said it was due to the owners loose grip and glocks are sensitive to that. Take it for what its worth.

LMAO

Keep your booger hook off the bang switch, and you will be fine.
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My .02 Glock makes a fine weapon. I'm not crazy about the safety. I chose a H&K USP

I have seen a 45 cal Glock jam round after round on one guy and fire clip after clip in another guy's hand 30 seconds later. A dealer/instructor said it was due to the owners loose grip and glocks are sensitive to that. Take it for what its worth.

I've heard the same thing about the S&W semi autos

I've heard the same thing about the S&W semi autos


Never had one jam and never saw one jam... I've witnessed the Glocks jam while my S&W was performing flawlessly...

Glocks also have a bad tendancy to jam... Double action only auto's really don't need a safety since you can't cock them. Another problem with a Glock is that in order to take it apart to clean you need to drop the mag and clear the chamber. Except many people wrack the slide, then drop the mag and assume the chamber is clear.

I have never had my Glock jam. It's the only gun I own that hasn't jammed on me at one time or another. Thousands of rounds of various ammo through my stock model 23 without incident.

If you don't know if it's loaded or not then you shouldn't own a semi auto.

I have seen a 45 cal Glock jam round after round on one guy and fire clip after clip in another guy's hand 30 seconds later. A dealer/instructor said it was due to the owners loose grip and glocks are sensitive to that. Take it for what its worth.

limpwristing many auto's is the culprit for jams.

I can agree. Limpwristing is your enemy. Learn to hold your weapon properly and this will be a non-issue. Taking safety classes and CCW course has taught me a lot to make me a better shooter. Learning to hold my pistol properly made me much more accurate, and I don't get the dreaded limp wristed jams.
Glocks are very fine handguns, many police departments issue them as they are cost effective and reliable. Any machine cannot be relied on 100% of the time, but I do not believe that Glocks have "jamming problems" any worse than any other pistol. The break in period will more than likely have a few jams or hiccups here and there, you shouldn't rely on anything with your life until it has proven itself to you. The most important advice you can be given is to practice. Know your gun, develop your muscle memory, practice and practice some more. It doesn't matter what pistol you buy if you are unable to use it effectively when you need to.

I have toted a Glock, aka lethal tupperware, aka G-lock, since 1987. Not as a gun collector or sport shooter but in the line of duty. Has this system hung up, yes. We train regularly on clearing drills and tactical /emergency reloads as you should with any semi auto. The same goes for my issued Colt car-15. The Glock is a simple and effective defensive use weapon system. There are other good semi auto weapons. I trust my Glock and the training I've had along with my other equipment ( to include my pea brain :)) with my life. My .02

David

I've had a Colt 1911A1 and a Colt Double Eagle Officers Model. Neither of these guns came close to functioning as well as my Glock 30.
The only time in 6-7 years that I've owned it that it's jammed was when I let a friend try it on the range. My beloved Glock would jam every couple of rounds! I was shocked and amazed. I'd take it back and dump a couple of clips through it and it worked perfect. I'd hand it back to him and it would start hanging up again. As mentioned a couple of posts earlier, we figured out that by his own admission, he was limp wristing it. As far as he's concerned me baby is a POS and he loves his Ruger 9mm. I have yet to have my Glock jam in my hands no matter what ammo I'm feeding through it, Blazers, Mag-safe, Glasers, hand loads, you name it.

Both of my Colts were very picky about thier ammo.

What drew me to Glock originally was two things...

1) The Miami PD bought two Glock 9mm's off the shelf when they were considering using them for duty carry. The two Glocks were put through the following tests... they were immersed in salt water overnight, shook out and fired... no jams. The were buried in a bucket of sand, shook out, fired... no jams. Dropped loaded from several feet onto a concrete sidewalk, no accidental firing. (with the trigger relaxed, so is the firing pin spring... not compressed like a cocked and locked single action) The same two guns were cleaned and one of them is still being carried by the training officer that was present for the testing!

2) My local range had a Glock 17 shortly after they came out as a rental gun.
When I started looking at the Glock 30 I asked the range master what they thought of the Glock, he said that it's had approxiamately 10,000 rounds through it and they had yet to strip it down and clean it and it was still working just fine. Now, I'm not sure if I agree with their "not cleaning" protocol, it was pretty impressive as a testament to the guns reliability.

Are there other very high quality semi auto's out there? Of course! Can you make a Colt feed better and extremely accurate? Yep, for a price. Do I believe that Glocks are misfeeding POS's? Nope.

I've fired a few different glocks and I like them. I don't like the short grip ones like the 27. I don't like the way my pinky hangs off the bottom of the grip, but that's just me... My friend loved the size...

I'm kind of a knuckle dragger and I like a colt 45 or a 44 Mag for a carry piece. Sure they're tough to conceal, but the huge snort and 3 foot muzzle flash from a 44 mag will make most people turn and run. I also like carb'd big blocks too... :)

I have a friend who's a marine trained sniper, and a cop. He's got a Glock 21 and loves it. That's a .45.

I've stopped carrying because I haven't had the time to get the range as much as I like to, but I used to carry a Colt Commander. Cocked and locked... :D I carried on the hip in the winter when I had enough clothes to cover, and in the small of my back in the summer.

Also, while I never had to draw for protection, at the range I always kept my booger hook off the bang switch... :thumbsup:

Best advice is find a range where you can rent them both and put a couple boxes through them.

David

Hey David,

I know what you mean about the "pinkie" problem. Both of my clips for my Mod 30 (compact .45) came with an extension to take care of that. I have tried the magazines without them and I personally don't like to leave my little finger "hangin' either!

If your friends haven't tried them suggest it to them. My dealer swapped out the flat ones for free when I bought mine.

Greg

Hey Greg, I've seen and used those extenders and they help alot. My friend likes the small size and doesn't care about his pinkie, but he has one mag with the extender.

Every time I think of that gun I'm reminded of the old joke about gun control meaning both hands on the gun... :) I like to palm rest my 45 when shoting (Grip with right, rest on palm up left hand.

David

My Glock 30 has had over 5000 rounds in the first year and not one jam. Great weapon, but all Glocks are large to carry depending on carry type and clothing choice.

My daily CCW is a Kahr PM9. http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ga_handguns/perfect_pocket_protection/ Took about 500 rounds to break in and get reliable, but a very good CCW weapon small and 9mm.

My Glock shot perfect from day one. There are always Glock haters, but there is always someone with something bad to say about everything. My Glock is definately reliable and has never jammed. One fail-to-fire in over 5000 rounds a lot of white box through it.