I used Dupont Chromo-Base on my last Chevelle, and it looked good even after 6+ years. I was told there's paint out there much better than what I used. I want a knock out paint job this time around. Any suggestions?

Jon Kosmoski's House of Kolor in MN. is awesome paint, but I've only seen it painted on a couple of cars though but were great looking jobs with so much depth you wanted to walk right through it.
Myself and most my buddies have used it on our h-ds for years with excellent results.
There is usally 3-4 steps before the clear. It is a very durable polyurethane paint.
A lot of guys won't use it 'cause its so time consuming but it will give you a knock your socks off job if done right.
But like any paint you must have a perfect body first.
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Brett
'67
SS396
clone

What color are you thinking?

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Triple Black 69 SS 396

Asking this question is like asking "what color do you like best" it is TOTALLY subjective.
There are dosens of paint companies and you will get hundreds of painter fighting for their life on each one!
If you want longevity, then you are talking about another thing, with this you will loose some "looks", is this what you are after?
DuPonts ChromaPremier is a heck of a system, I'd stick with what you know. (notice I said ChromaPremier, Chomabase is a step below, but very similar)


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1965 Buick Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T

The reason of my question, MartinSr, is to discuss the straight solid colors, Red, black, white vs. Metallics, pearls and chameleon colors that demand Clear coating. My opinion is that that the solid colors look much better as a single stage paint then a BC/CC. Especially black. So, in my humble opinion and reasoning, color does make a difference. Would you recommend Valspar for a solid color? I wouldn't. How about Glasurit? I would. Would you recommend Valspar for a candied pearl? Probably.

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Triple Black 69 SS 396

Im going with the stock color paint code PP Evening Orchid, it's a metalic. I was told by the local supplier that they couldn't get it in a Base coat Clear coat, but a single step paint. It doesn't sound good to me. I'm looking for a durable paint that looks great.

Jimmy, I ment nothing to be directed toward your post.
I was addressing the concept of what is the "Best paint on the market" the third line in your second post says it all, "In My opinion" you say.....that is my point. I don't care how much experience you have or how great of a painter you are...it is still subjective. Now some things are just plain common sense like Lacquer primer is not as good as urethane. But you will get a painter, yes even a "pro" that would tell you how urethane costs too much or is dangerous because of the isos or what ever. It is subjective, that is all I was refering to. Now don't get your panties in a bunch. And would I use Valspar for a candy?, no because I wouldn't even paint a car trailer with Valspar. That is my point, there are a LOT of painters that swear by Valspar. Does that make it a good product? It depends who you are talking to. http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif

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1965 Buick Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T

I would recommend checking out "sikkens" paint.

Just forget about answering this post. I won't be back for the answers. I never meant this to be an "ass biting" contest. Thanks anyways.

Sorry Bad.....

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1965 Buick Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T

No harm done at all MartinSr., Hey, Bad, don't sweat it, all of us paint guys have breathed a little too much paint fumes http://www.chevelles.com/forum/biggrin.gif Just a little misunderstanding from time to time. BB's are hard to READ sometimes and understand exactly what another meant. As far as the paint goes, everybody will have an opinion, like Martin says. Go to the performance section and just ask what's better, "Oval port or square ports for Big block power" if you want to see real sparks fly! There's a thousand ways to skin a cat. As in painting cars. End product is the final word. that's what car shows are for IMO.

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Triple Black 69 SS 396

[This message has been edited by Jimmy P (edited 02-06-2001).]

Thanks Jimmy, http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif

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1965 Buick Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T

Hey, Bad, Are you still interested in what the best paint is?

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Triple Black 69 SS 396

Hey MARTINSR,

I painted the jambs on my car with ChromaBase/Clear. The rest of the car still needs a final block sand and I'll topcoat that when I get it straight enough. Is there any benefit to me buying ChromaPremier to finish the car, or should I stick with what I started with?

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Tony Nausieda
1970 SS 396-350hp
Frame-off Resto: Just Say No! 4 years and counting...

My body man is using the "Global system", can't recall if it's Dupont or PPG. Anyone know anything about this paint ?
:burnout:

I've used Dupont, Sherwin Williams, MartinSeynour, and PPG. Had good results with all of the above. I liked the Dupont for years especially with the High Glamour set up. I will say the Dupont is a mother to buff out though. I've been working with the PPG here lately and really like the set up for mixing and the ease of buffing. I don't feel it sets up as hard as the dupont which I think is a plus being the paint being a little softer it's a little less prone to rock slinging taking big bites out of the paint. Urethane is where it's at, and noone will ever convince me otherwise. As far as the slickness of paints, theres so many polishes and waxes out there, they really are hard to tell apart. Go ahead and stick with the Dupont for your ride since your already using it. But you should try the PPG sometime. The prices are real close and the clear is a little more mixable for thinning out and shooting some slick paint. The base reduces to like 1@1/2 to 1 which will give you extra base for shooting everything. RandyB..

Double post

[This message has been edited by MARTINSR (edited 02-07-2001).]

Tony, I would think that you would be ahead to go Chromapremier, but you may have to get the color matched, the ChromaPremier and Chromabase can be a little off sometimes.

Steve, Global is PPG and is Super stuff. They made it to go up against Glasurit, Sikkens and the like.

Randy...all I can say is YOU are a REAL painter. A rare breed that understands that the painter makes the product work, not the other way around. My hat is off to you. http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif


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1965 Buick Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T

Cool, thanks.

I really wish red wasn't so expensive.

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Tony Nausieda
1970 SS 396-350hp
Frame-off Resto: Just Say No! 4 years and counting...

What's everybody's experience with 'kickers'? like Rock-it? for speeding up the dry time for clears. I've used it on spot repairs, but never for overalls. A buddy of mine said some painters use some on overalls. Any opinions?

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Triple Black 69 SS 396

Jimmy, anytime you speed something up you sacrifice gloss. I have used it and if you play it careful it is a good trade off. Some of the new accelerated hardeners and clears like Dupont 4500 or M-S 8660 hardener for 8637 clear really work good. The whole industry is getting faster......I think we may be ahead of our selves.
I did see a guy put TOO much Rocket-it in a single stage urethane...it looked like corn flakes on the whole roof! I have never seen anything like it! http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif

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1965 Buick Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T

So it boils down to, You see a fantastic paint job, lets give the credit to the painter and not the paint.

You got it pipeman! And don't forget the bodyman, he can make or break the painters job. And I don't just mean a guy who fixes dents. I mean a guy who will take a rough toad and align panels, block out waves (yes even factory) and give it to the painter to paint, not fix all those things but just paint. The painter can make or break the bodymans work also, a poor painter will sand off the edges the bodyman painstakingly straighted and sand waves into the panels. It is a joint effort, unless the same guy does both.

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1965 Buick Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T

Thanks MARTINSR. for the compliment. I agree. The paint aint worth squat if the car aint straight. Ther is a definate art form to painting and bodywork. The biggest thing that I see is people rush it. I have a buddy that I've known since high school. Painted cars before I ever had the tools. He is probably the best damn body straightener I have ever seen. But boy look out when he starts to paint. It's a nightmare. He'll mix parts from Dupont PPG and whatever he has lying around to get the paint on. I can't tell you how many times he's been burnt on jobs coming back because this or that happened later on down the road to the paint. Too many people get to a point where they get fed up with a peice and say f#$% it, let's shoot some paint. That's not my idea of a bodyman. I started painting on the side because I just couldn't shell out the bucks for paintwork. I think most people can do it with a little help from folks that will teach them little tricks. And I liken the the feeling to firing up that Big Rat for the first time. And you know what's great is when those little chips and things happen and you know how to fixem. As far as the accelerator additives for paint, I wouldn't touch on my work or anything IU got going out the garage. I just can't afford the headaches. I'm no BRAIN about cars, but if anyone has a question relating to a problem they're encountering I'll help to the best of my ability. As far as prices on my paintwork, Whoever said I was expensive. I will say that I only do collector cars and collectibles. I do this on the side so I don't rush to get joe blows car back on monday so he can have his everyday driver back. This way I'm not rushed. The wife is happy, the kids are happy, and other than the anxious owner, wanting his ride real quick, he's tickled. And it gives me time to tend to my 70. So rock on world, be calm ,the answer will come. Don't rush, and may people appreciate the work the owners put into their cars even if they don't get first place. RandyB... Ky

I am not a bodyman/painter by trade, but like red2rider, I do work for people who want a personal touch to their cars. One thing though I could never understand is in productin shops, you have guys who are great bodymen and couldn't paint and painters who couldn't work a dent if you gave the 40 nights and 40 days. Boy, I just couldn't imagine doing all the work to make a silk purse out of a sows ear http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif to a car and not being the one who gets to have all the fun and applying the paint to it. Heck, thats how I started painting to begin with, just for the fun of it, oh and the free beer )D

I hear ya pipeman. I bought get a n$# when it's time to put the paint on. There aint nothin like the feeling when you see the shine coming out after all that hard a@# work to get it straight. I think most people can be taught how to do bodywork and paint, the biggest thing is having the place to do it in. And setting up the shop. What do you do to get your shop ready for painting? My garage is 28x28. I took 3mil plastic and put it on the ceiling with removable lights so I can wash it down. I Use tar paper nails to hold it in place. Works really good. I take a sponge mop and clean when needed. I partisan the garage in half with 3mil plastic hanging down attatched to 1/2 conduit pipe so I can roll it up when not painting. Wash the floor down and ready to go.

I have a homemade paint booth, 15x26 which works pretty good. I think other than ventilation, which I use a industral type blower, safe for paint,of importance is the lighting, I have a total of 12 8 foot flouresant lights do there aren't any shadows to comtend with.

Back to paint. I talked to my Ditzler rep about Base/Clear and he can only mix my 1970 paint code 78 Black Cherry in Ditzler Omni, which is a lower grade of base. He recommends this with the 2002 urethane clear. Has anyone used this combo? If so what was your experience? I guess bottom line is how is the clear to sand and buff?
Any input on the Omni is appreciated.

Thanks,
LB

I used the Omni line on my 69 Z when it first came out in '99 and I give it a thumbs up. Again, when someone has a bad expirence with a paint or product, more often then not you can blame the person on the other end of the spray gun http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif