I would like to use a viper red Deltron 2000 base on my 69 Chevelle, but the Exact same brand and line of paint ie... PPG Deltron 2000 bright red is $180 a gallon less! Is this just due to different tonners? Is the Viper red worth the extra money?

just to say its viper red... if you got the money. or if you can actually tell the dif graemlins/sad.gif graemlins/sad.gif :rolleyes:

My vote is for Viper Red. Then again I am biased:

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Andrew

Wow :eek: how much does this stuff cost a gallon? This is just the cost for the base coat? I will be buying some red soon, but it will be single stage polyurethane, hopefully less money. Last gallon I got of PPG maroon enamel was about $150.

Yep the gal. of PPG Deltron 2000 is $272 for the generic PPG red and $432 for the Viper red! And that is base only no hardener or reducer.

Viper red is actually not very red at all if you compare it with a real red red. Chrylsers "Flame red" is much redder than Viper red.

Originally posted by zachscc:
Yep the gal. of PPG Deltron 2000 is $272 for the generic PPG red and $432 for the Viper red! And that is base only no hardener or reducer. I don't understand this part. BOTH those colors if bought in the same paint should ( I say should, because that is what I would think) would be the same price code. PPG has as I remember about four "levels" of pricing. So every color in the whole system would fall into one of these four levels. A red like this "should" fall into the highest one just as a high pearl blue may also be there. It doesn't have to be a red to cost a lot.

I cant believe a 180 dollar difference between the two colors :confused: Both should be in P code pricing level(I think P is the highest level). Have the store just print you a quote on the paint, then look at the ticket it should read something like P-DBC 5901. P being the price code, DBC the paint brand and 5901 the PPG paint code.

When you say thats just for the base no HARDENER or reducer, whats the hardener for?

To me the Bright Red is redder, a truer red then the Viper Red which is orangish. Flame Red which Martin mentioned is a NICE red. Am not a RED fan but if I were to paint a red I do with Chrylser's Inferno Red or GM's Dark Torredo(sp?) metallic Red.
Inferno Red is a metallic 3 stage color. The nice thing NOW is that PPG, Dupont have basecoat conversion codes that allow you to skip the pearl coat step and still get the pearl affect.
Did a 2000 LHS and 03 stratus painted Inferno red in the past month, both times used the basecoat conversion code, came out great.
Am not a RED fan at all but Inferno Red is a friggin sweet color

Like I said, when it comes to color, a comparison is needed, side by side. One color may look REALLY red but when next to another it isn't even close to red. Porsche "Guards red" for example. I have aways heard guys call it a bright red. It isn't even a red at all, it is orange. It may look red sitting in a parking lot full of white cars, but parked next to a Chry Flame red car it looks like Hugger orange!

I picked the color for my truck in 1979 when I saw a neighbor drive up with his new little Caviler or what ever it was. I loved the color, thought it was RED and opened his trunk to get the color code. I painted the truck, all the while thinking it was "RED". The first rod run I went to a guy parked a "Ferrari red" 32 Ford Roadster next to it. My truck looked like red oxide primer! I am not kidding, it looked like crap. My red was very "dirty" it was not that clean bright red looking that I thought it was.
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The Viper Red is actually more red then the Chevy Torch Red. What cars have the Chrysler Flame Red?
Another real nice red is the VW Jetta Red. When I was picking colors, we sprayed 2 panels, one with the Viper Red the other with the VW Red. You could hardly tell them apart under flourecent light. However, it was a different story once we went in the sunshine. The Viper Red really "popped".
So whatever color you choose, spray some test panels and look at them in the sunshine.

Andrew

Nice looking Truck !!! graemlins/thumbsup.gif MARTINSR. Did you use PPG Basecoat/Clearcoat on it? How many coats of clear did you spray on it total? Did you sand between each coat of clear or not? That really is a NICE LOOKIN TRUCK. Mark ---------------------------------------- 1968 Chevelle Malibu (Weekend Cruiser) 1969 Chevelle Malibu (Daily Driver) -

b 70 what kind of wheels are those i likem alot

dude andrew you got the sickest GTO. i cant remember which mag it was in but it was lookin mint in it. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Chevelleman, LOL, that was SS lacquer! smile.gif It was done in 1982, nine coats with color sanding after the fifth.

This is what it looks like today. The body is sectioned as well as the top chopped. It will be much lower in the back and Hugger orange in bc/cc.
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