After posting the (Earliest LS-5 production build date?) question, I did some research on this TEAM CHEVELLE website about early built Z15 Chevelles, from each of the 7 factories that produced Chevelles in 1970.....My original question about early built SS454 Chevelle LS5 cars, but most answers were about the LS6 Chevelle SS454....This time both Z15's are included.....
What were the earliest Z15 (SS454) Chevelles, produced at each Chevelle factory during the 1970 model year??????
I would think documentation, should mean, at the very least either,the original number matching engine,an original factory buildsheet,a protect-o-plate,or the original dealer invoice,with the trim tag date for historic purposes, only.....
You don't have to post these documents, but you should have some of them as proof of the cars, pedigree....(history).......
Basically,my question pertains to,the earliest Z15 build dates,factory the car was built at, and with either a (LS5/or/LS6) engine code..??????????....
So this time, I will put this disclaimer in, all research was performed on this
website, I personally have no documented proof, on these cars or factories...
All the proof is by the people who posted, their buildsheet/and/or/trim tag info.......and I have no reason, to doubt any of them........
Anyone who has knowledge of earlier built, Z15 Chevelles, please correct me,
and post your information here, for future references.........
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Let me first say,
I have absolutely no info, on Z15's Chevelles built at Flint, except that they
may not have been producing 1970 Z15 Chevelles until, early Feb.1970...
and that buildsheets from Flint are, super rare.........
Supposedly, Arlington started 1970 Chevelle production in Dec.1969....
Arlington buildsheets are not that plentyful, either........
Baltimore,the largest "A" body plant, seemed to be the 1st producing Z15's,
(SS454 Chevelle).....and the last producing L78's, (SS396/375hp Chevelle)..
I don't know much about the Oshawa,Ontario,Canada factory, either....
I believe, Baltimore, Atlanta, Kansas City and Van Nuys produced most of
the 1970 Chevelles.......and probably, most of the Z15 SS454 Chevelle's,also.

...This is what I found...........(during a 6 month search)......
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1970--------TRIM----BUILD-----ENGINE------POSTEDBY----DATEPOSTED--
CHEVELLE----TAG----SHEET-----CODE-------USERNAME-------ONTHIS------
FACTORY----DATE----DATE------LS ??-----Team Chevelle-----WEBSITE----
__________________________________________________ ___________________
Baltimore----12B---12/09/1969----LS6--------greg2001-------08/30/2005
Van Nuys---(---)---12/17/1969---LS5---------ohhawk--------08/28/2005
Atlanta------12C---12/18/1969---LS6---------greg2001------08/02/2002
Leeds/KC---(---)---12/18/1969---LS6--------wolverinemw----10/27/2005
Oshawa----(---)---01/12/1970---LS5-----------RC70--------11/18/2004
Arlington----01A---(---------)----LS5----------LevonH-------02/12/2006
Flint-------(---)---(---------)----(---)-------(---------)----(----------)
__________________________________________________ ___________________
Again, please post any additional information you might have,for known early built, 1970 SS454 Chevelle (LS5/or/LS6) cars buildsheet dates, trim tag dates,which factory produced the Z15 Chevelle, and whatever Z15 built, Flint info you might have.....Thanks, Don

Don,
The second earliest(to my knowledge) documented Z15 was a 12C VN LS6 with a build date of 12-16 VIN #L159008.Also have sheets on:

B129B53 12C LS6 build date 12-17
K144677 12C LS6 '' '' 12-19
B130498 12D LS6 " " 12-22

You might want to PM Rick N or Rick P,they are the defacto curators of plant build info on these, IMHO

Best of luck in your research!

I can better the Atlanta date, I have a build sheet from I believe the first(or close to it) LS6 from the Atlanta plant. 60th car built on 12-15, a strippo customer ordered LS6 M22 car. VIN A119029.
Shadow gray with black stripes, black(755) bench interior.
Options-
GW8 4.10 axle(RW code)
G80 posi
LS6
M22
T60 (manditory)
U63 AM radio
ZL2
Z15

Don't know if this helps, but my 1970 LS5 SS454 Monte Carlo (option Z-20)

engine assembled stamping 0917CRN

SEPTEMBER 17, 1969
AND IS A VAN NUYS BUILT CAR.

Tim

Don, just curious if Fran Preeve was still around. I met him years ago at a NCOA meeting and he then worked at the Tonawanda plant. He had access to some neat info and was trying to find documents as to the build and shipping of these motors. He was trying to help the Chevelle guys and Vette guys preserve the true history of these engines , I believe. John

..UPDATED......April 9,2006....
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1970--------TRIM----BUILD-----ENGINE------POSTEDBY----DATEPOSTED--
CHEVELLE----TAG----SHEET-----CODE-------USERNAME-------ONTHIS------
FACTORY----DATE----DATE------LS ??-----Team Chevelle-----WEBSITE----
__________________________________________________ ___________________
Baltimore----12B---12/09/1969----LS6--------greg2001-------08/30/2005
Van Nuys----12C---12/16/1969---LS6-------Late BrakeU2-----03/19/2006
Atlanta------12C---12/15/1969---LS6-------Dave Birdwell-----03/19/2006
Leeds/KC----12C---12/18/1969---LS6-------wolverinemw-----10/27/2005
Oshawa-----01B----01/12/1970---LS5----------RC70---------11/18/2004
Arlington----01A---(---------)----LS5----------LevonH-------02/12/2006
Flint--------03B---(---------)----LS6--------(on/ e-bay)-----03/31/2006
__________________________________________________ _____________
So far.....Tuesday,Dec.9,1969 is 1st..... Monday,Dec.15 is the 2nd earliest...
1970 Z15 Chevelles SS built......

It appears with the cancellation of the L78 on Dec.8,1969 at Baltimore...
The Z15 HiPo/LS6 was taking it's place immediately, so far all info shows that, LS6's were coming out the factory doors, first...before the LS5's especially at the 4 biggest Chevelle factories..
It appears the other 3 factories,did not start production until after Jan.1,1970....

I did find, another interesting fact...
The 1st Z15 Chevelle SS convertible,that I know of, was built 12/17/1969...

If anybody wants to add any info,to the above findings,feel free to do so,
just post the trim tag and or buildsheet dates/ and if it's a LS5/or/ LS6 only...

Thanks to all who posted,we are getting closer to finding the earliest from
each factory..I really thought, there would be more cars found that were
built (12B) before Friday Dec.12,1969....Maybe, even some LS5's..
The reason I say that is because, apparently all factories except Baltimore
had ceased production on L78 Chevelles, several days before 12/8/69....
It just made sense these factories were tooling up for the Z15's release, when the final L78 went out the Baltimore factory door....and that all these other plants would have been in high gear, getting ready to build the newly released Z15 Chevelle SS 454.....but..It looks like Baltimore, was the one in high gear............ Thanks, Don..

Don, If I remember correctly, the car that Greg2001 had was a pilot car, and I believe he told me the car was actually assembled at Flint. I thought this was kinda odd, to have a Baltimore VIN....

Dave,

The pilot was a Baltimore(not Flint) built courtesy car special ordered by a GM exec.This has been confirmed through correspondence with that individual in the last few years.He ordered the car in Oct,but received a call from the plant saying his demo would take a few extra weeks as it was the first one they were going to build with the LS6 .

Don,
I have an LS6 build sheet from the Kansas City plant that is dated 12-11. It was charged to Zone 09, Dealer 000, Norwood-Cincinnati Zone. It has reference of: C C TD Hoxie

I also have a build sheet from a Van Nuys built LS5 1970 Monte Carlo built 10-28 with VIN 138570L133719.

I wonder, if they would build the Monte with an LS5 that early, why not a Chevelle also? Hopefully you'll get some response from other Van Nuys built cars.

Rick P.

rixls6
I am with you on this one . . . why would they be putting the 454 from the beginning of production into the MOnte and not be putting it in the chevelles until Dec????

We both have very early build dates on our SS montes.

I've been away for awhile,but see I have something to add here.
I have a good friend who sent me papers on his 12/15/69 LS-6 Chevelle from the Van Nuys Calif. plant.

Glad to see others are taking an interest in the early Z15's..I would think one of the main reasons the Ls6/Ls5 wasn't introduced to the Chevelle line earlier than possibly the Monte Carlo, would have related to engineering. The Monte to my knowledge wasn't avialble with the 4 spd trans, which seems to have been a concern behind the 454's. That is why the "new improved" larger shafted M22 was used as the 454's generate more torque than Chevy deemed safe.

The green "pilot car" was assembled at Baltimore. "Pilots" in general were assembled at Flint, contrary to what the plant codes are, but per Jim Mattison the Ls6 "pilots" were assembled at their respective plants since it is only an engine option.

My march built LS-5 has a Sept 69 engine! so I guess they were making the engines long before the option was available!!.

ALbert

I just found another early Z15 LS5 car from Kansas City. It was built on December 15. The VIN ends K141523.

Rick P.

.....April 23,2006....update........
___________________________
1970--------TRIM----BUILD-----ENGINE------POSTEDBY----DATEPOSTED--
CHEVELLE----TAG----SHEET-----CODE-------USERNAME-------ONTHIS------
FACTORY----DATE----DATE------LS ??-----Team Chevelle-----WEBSITE----
__________________________________________________ ___________________
Baltimore----12B---12/09/1969----LS6--------greg2001-------08/30/2005
Leeds/KC----12B---12/11/1969---LS6----------RixLS6---------04/10/2006
Van Nuys----12C---12/15/1969---LS6-----------mr70---------04/11/2006
Atlanta------12C---12/15/1969---LS6-------Dave Birdwell-----03/19/2006
Arlington----01A---(---------)----LS5----------LevonH-------02/12/2006
Oshawa-----01B----01/12/1970---LS5----------RC70---------11/18/2004
Flint--------03B---(---------)----LS6------(F/S/on e-bay)----03/31/2006
__________________________________________________ _____________
So far.....
1st known and documented 1970 Chevelle SS/ LS6 was built at Baltimore, Tuesday Dec.9,1969.
.. 2nd earliest documented...LS6/was built at Leeds/KC...Thursday Dec.11,1969.....

..1st known and documented 1970 Chevelle SS/ LS5 was built at Leeds/KC Monday Dec.15,1969.....

__another interesting fact...is...__________________________
The 1st documented 1970 Z15 Chevelle SS/ LS5 convertible, so far, was built 12/17/1969...
__________________________________________________ ___________
........QUESTION......#1......

Does anyone, have knowledge of a documented, Dec.1969 built, 1970 LS6 Chevelle convertible????
_________ _______________________ __________________
I know December, is cold in most parts of the USA, and probably not the best convertible building/or/selling weather...A new 1970 Z15 convertible would have made a very nice Christmas present,though........especially,being just released....
__________________________________________________ _____________
I am confident, most of the factories date/information ABOVE are within a few days, of real CLOSE to being, pretty much, correct......
especially...Baltimore, Kansas City, Atlanta, Van Nuys and Arlington.........
Oshawa is probably, pretty close to being correct, also.......
__________________________________________________ ____________
I have seen locally, an Arlington built malibu VIN#136370R201077...
ST70_________BT00907BDY
TR 770_________55 10 PNT
01A_____417
It is NOT an SS,but it is an early built Arlington............
I noted, 2dr,sweep dash,column shift, bench seat,a/c, no pb,gold w/white top.....

This helps confirm the speculation........that....
Supposedly,Arlington and Oshawa started production after Jan.1,1970........
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In my opinion, Flint is the only plant, that could be way off base.....
I am under the impression, Flint,Michigan started production in Feb.,1970...
_ ___________ ____________________
.......QUESTION........#2..........

Does anyone have an early (VIN#/body numbered) Flint built chevelle, even a
non-SS, just to confirm when Flint started 1970 Chevelle production????
.....I personally believe, (03B) is not EVEN close to being correct, for Flint.......
If anyone can confirm when Flint, started 1970 Chevelle production, I would
appreciate your help, as I am interested to find out, what that date might be.....Thanks, Don ...

Don,

I wanted to post concerning the 12B "pilot car." I actually bought the car for the first time in 1994, sold it to a guy on the west coast in 1996 and bought it back in 2001. The car was sold again in 2005, but in all likely hood I'll own it for a 3rd time as I'm only 35, and the car has some intrinsic value to me (so does realestate though..lol). The car has been known in Chevelle circles since 1994, when there was little research into this sort of thing. In 1995 I spoke to Brain Edwards, who along with Jeff Dotterer wrote the article on LS6 recognition that was published in the NCOA "Chevelle Report" along with "Musclecar Review." Brian was really into the numbers aspects of the cars and was vital in establishing it was something unique. I actually posted concerning the car on TC in 2001, so if you can do a search and it is archived you'll find some really good info not only on this car, but also late L78's, which tie into the whole Z15 production cycle.

The car I believe is the first production LS6. It seems there are people that claim a Nov car was built, but each and everytime the car that gets presented turns out to be a fake. Glad to see others are finally interested in these types of things and maybe this car will get the proper interest it deserves.

Greg Carlson

.....April 23,2006....update........
___________________________
1970--------TRIM----BUILD-----ENGINE------POSTEDBY----DATEPOSTED--
CHEVELLE----TAG----SHEET-----CODE-------USERNAME-------ONTHIS------
FACTORY----DATE----DATE------LS ??-----Team Chevelle-----WEBSITE----
__________________________________________________ ___________________
Baltimore----12B---12/09/1969----LS6--------greg2001-------08/30/2005
Leeds/KC----12B---12/11/1969---LS6----------RixLS6---------04/10/2006
Van Nuys----12C---12/15/1969---LS6-----------mr70---------04/11/2006
Atlanta------12C---12/15/1969---LS6-------Dave Birdwell-----03/19/2006
Arlington----01A---(---------)----LS5----------LevonH-------02/12/2006
Oshawa-----01B----01/12/1970---LS5----------RC70---------11/18/2004
Flint--------03B---(---------)----LS6------(F/S/on e-bay)----03/31/2006
__________________________________________________ _____________
So far.....
1st known and documented 1970 Chevelle SS/ LS6 was built at Baltimore, Tuesday Dec.9,1969.
.. 2nd earliest documented...LS6/was built at Leeds/KC...Thursday Dec.11,1969.....

..1st known and documented 1970 Chevelle SS/ LS5 was built at Leeds/KC Monday Dec.15,1969.....

__another interesting fact...is...__________________________
The 1st documented 1970 Z15 Chevelle SS/ LS5 convertible, so far, was built 12/17/1969...
__________________________________________________ ___________
........QUESTION......#1......

Does anyone, have knowledge of a documented, Dec.1969 built, 1970 LS6 Chevelle convertible????
_________ _______________________ __________________
I know December, is cold in most parts of the USA, and probably not the best convertible building/or/selling weather...A new 1970 Z15 convertible would have made a very nice Christmas present,though........especially,being just released....
__________________________________________________ _____________
I am confident, most of the factories date/information ABOVE are within a few days, of real CLOSE to being, pretty much, correct......
especially...Baltimore, Kansas City, Atlanta, Van Nuys and Arlington.........
Oshawa is probably, pretty close to being correct, also.......
__________________________________________________ ____________
I have seen locally, an Arlington built malibu VIN#136370R201077...
ST70_________BT00907BDY
TR 770_________55 10 PNT
01A_____417
It is NOT an SS,but it is an early built Arlington............
I noted, 2dr,sweep dash,column shift, bench seat,a/c, no pb,gold w/white top.....

This helps confirm the speculation........that....
Supposedly,Arlington and Oshawa started production after Jan.1,1970........
___________________________________
In my opinion, Flint is the only plant, that could be way off base.....
I am under the impression, Flint,Michigan started production in Feb.,1970...
_ ___________ ____________________
.......QUESTION........#2..........

Does anyone have an early (VIN#/body numbered) Flint built chevelle, even a
non-SS, just to confirm when Flint started 1970 Chevelle production????
.....I personally believe, (03B) is not EVEN close to being correct, for Flint.......
If anyone can confirm when Flint, started 1970 Chevelle production, I would
appreciate your help, as I am interested to find out, what that date might be.....Thanks, Don ...

"Does anyone, have knowledge of a documented, Dec.1969 built, 1970 LS6 Chevelle convertible????"
I have docs & pics on a 12/16/69 1970 LS-6 Chevelle convertible built at Baltimore,thoroughly legit and owned by a very good friend of mine today.
This,along with other 1970 Chevelle Buildsheets and such,were among other Documents I submitted to the N.C.O.A when they were publishing their "Start To Finish" results.
Mark was asking members to submit the earliest & latest production dates for Chevelles & Elcaminos from all Assembly plants from 1964-1973.He eventually published them in the Monthly Chevelle Report magazine.

Rick P.,

Whatever became of all the info that Mark accumalated? I heard he had quite abit of technical stuff relating to the LS6. I remember speaking to him in 1995 or so and sending him the stuff on the 12B pilot..he seemed to be thinking that there were Nov cars built at that time..which we know now is extremely unlikely, so he didn't ask a lot of questions and such. Do you know if any other zone memos similar to the "Richmond memo" have surfaced? Interestingly the Richmond zone office was about 2 miles from my current house here. Any of the technical releases from the plants, especially from around the Nov-Dec time period? This is the type of stuff to be on the hunt for..the plant bullentins..

Greg

.....May 20,2006....update........
___________________________
1970--------TRIM----BUILD-----ENGINE------POSTEDBY----DATEPOSTED--
CHEVELLE----TAG----SHEET-----CODE-------USERNAME-------ONTHIS------
FACTORY----DATE----DATE------LS ??-----Team Chevelle-----WEBSITE----
__________________________________________________ ___________________
Baltimore----12B---12/09/1969----LS6--------greg2001-------08/30/2005
Leeds/KC----12B---12/11/1969---LS6----------RixLS6---------04/10/2006
Van Nuys----12C---12/15/1969---LS6-----------mr70---------04/11/2006
Atlanta------12C---12/15/1969---LS6-------Dave Birdwell-----03/19/2006
Arlington----01A---(---------)----LS5----------LevonH-------02/12/2006
Oshawa-----01B----01/12/1970---LS5----------RC70---------11/18/2004
Flint--------03B---(---------)----LS6------(F/S/on e-bay)----03/31/2006
__________________________________________________ _____________
So far.....earliest built hardtops...........................
1st known and documented 1970 Chevelle SS/ LS6 was built at Baltimore, Tuesday Dec.9,1969.

___2nd earliest documented...LS6/was built at Leeds/KC...Thursday Dec.11,1969.....

..1st known and documented 1970 Chevelle SS/ LS5 was built at Leeds/KC Monday Dec.15,1969.....

__ interesting fact.....about earliest built Z15 convertibles.......so far..........

The 1st documented 1970 Z15 Chevelle SS/LS6 convertible, so far, was built
Tuesday Dec.16,1969 at Baltimore........

The 1st documented 1970 Z15 Chevelle SS/ LS5 convertible, so far, was built Wed. Dec.17,1969 at Van Nuys...
__________________________________________________ ___________
Still have very,very limited information on Flint,Michigan built 1970 Chevelle's....
Apparently, not many buildsheets from this factory made their way into cars, then, and probably not too many number matching cars, exist today...

If anyone has knowledge of a documented, early built Flint Z15 Chevelle SS,
or just an early built (plain jane) Chevelle from the Flint plant.....please help...

Any early build info from any plant, would also be helpful, so please post your info...

Thanks to everyone who has contributed, and made getting this documented information, a success.. Hopefully in the future, anyone curious about the early built Z15 subject can do a search, on this website and find all the info they might need....It also could help, someone NOT to BUY a Z15 1970 Chevelle SS454 (clone) built in September/October/November,1969.... By now, almost everyone knows, that Z15's were probably not being built until early December, 1969 at Atlanta, Baltimore, Kansas City, and Van Nuys......Arlington, Oshawa, and Flint supposedly did not start Z15 production until Janurary/Feburary 1970.........Thanks Much, Don

Don
although this info is very helpful, I would not use this limited info as completely conclusive.

My $.02
Tim

Tim,

I agree that this info should not be taken as "gospel"...but..I will use the 12B "pilot" to illustrate a point. This car first became known among "hardcore" Chevelle guys in 1992, when it belonged to a noted NCOA guy, who also had one of the first Diamond certified L34 cars. The first time I bought the car was 1994, and used contacts within the NCOA and collectors circles then to help document the car. It was sold in 1996 and "went underground". I re-purchased the car in 2001, and immediately posted here about it. It generated much interest as many hadn't heard of that early of a car, or a "pilot" car. As a result of this website and being able to link up with other Chevelle guys, a timeline was established and info exchanged that dispelled many previous thoughts, concerning not only LS6's but late L78's as well. Since 2002-2003 there has been a reasonable "hypothesis" using factual data to illustrate what many feel is the timeline for these cars. As of yet, noone has been able to refute that timeline. At a minimum the 12B "pilot" has stood as the earliest car for about 5 years on the world's largest stage..the internet...Despite some efforts to discredit the notion that it is the earliest car, as of yet noone has found an earlier car...believe me a few would love to do it...This car has been known about by the "gurus" now for almost 15 years...While there is the slimest chance a true documented earlier car will show up..it is extremely unlikely as the amount of knowledge now would mean the only earlier car would be a "pilot" and the chances of that are extremely remote...While it isn't good to say "never"...my bet is on "never"...Even though I sold the car last summer (I'm sure I'll buy it back at some point..;) I think it is time to give this car its' due in the spotlight..

Respectfully,

Greg

yes, Greg. I had not read this thread in a while and the Pilot car slipped my mind. I should have gone back and read the info again.

There is a pretty good chance that everything you have considered is strong enough evidence for your conclusions.

At least until (and if) anyone else can prove otherwise.

Tim

yes, Greg. I had not read this thread in a while and the Pilot car slipped my mind. I should have gone back and read the info again.

There is a pretty good chance that everything you have considered is strong enough evidence for your conclusions.

At least until (and if) anyone else can prove otherwise.

Tim

I think there is strong evidence on the 12/9 pilot being the first off.
It was special ordered by a zone rep who was the then head of service for the largest dealer region in the country.If anyone were to require one of these initial run cars for monitoring and evaluation that would be the person.The car has also been verified by that individual some 30+ years later as the first production LS6 built at Baltimore.
Baltimore was the largest A plant,and only few hundred miles from Tonawanda.Geographical proximity would dictate the order in which ground transportation would deliver the engines to respective plants.Not until VERY recentely a 12/11 Leeds built LS6 has surfaced,and the build date is consistent with the longer delivery time via truck to plant.To date this is the only other 12B car known to exist-so even after thirty six years they are becoming known to the general public.It's important to note this was the Cinncinatti zone rep's courtesy car as well.Obviously without GM or Tonawanda internal dissemination documentation there is no way to verify these as the the only 12B cars,but it might not be coincidence the earliest two known are both brass hat cars-hard to imagine a retail order preceeding an exec's juice,jmho

Has anyone ever heard of, or seen, an LS6 convertible in the Oregon/Washington state area that was supposedly a zone demonstrator car? The car was blue exterior and interior if I remember right.

I only ask because I had heard of this car for sale through Hemmings Motor News about 10 years ago, when I was looking to buy one.

No, but I have a build sheet for a red LS6 Convert, delivered to the Buffalo Zone.
As an interesting note, while perusing the assembly manual tonight for some info, I came across the dates the sheets were approved for the LS5-LS6 options....11-07-69 and 11-10-69, respectfully. This coincides with the November 1969 memo cancelling the L78 option and releasing the 454 into production. I highly doubt there will be many other 12B cars that materialize, and certainly none earlier.

Dave,
What is the build date for that red LS6 convert that you have a build sheet for? If it was charged to the Buffalo zone, would it be considered a zone demonstrator?

I agree with just about everything said here, this week, about this thread. First, this in not completely conclusive, nor should it be taken as the gospel.......
The main timeline, I believe, is the L78 /and/ LS6 build dates. Last known documented L78 was built 12/08/1969. First known documented LS6 was built 12/09/1969..
I think the LS6 had the green light, as soon as the last L78 went out the back door..
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We've probably all heard about,the non-documented, Nov.19,1969 hand written, Pilot Order Z15 LS6, Haney Garage, Leeds built LS6/turbo 400.......
In my opinion, that chevelle is just, dated way too early......and not properly documented....
So I agree, the Baltimore built 12/09/1969 LS6, will probably stand the test of time, as the 1st documented 1970 Z15 Chevelle built.........
_____________________________
Originally posted by Dave Birdwell,
As an interesting note, while perusing the assembly manual tonight for some info, I came across the dates the sheets were approved for the LS5-LS6 options....11-07-69 and 11-10-69, respectfully.
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That is interesting, indeed..
I, would bet, the LS5 got approved friday 11/07/1969 ,
probably because Monte Carlo's were supposedly already having LS5's installed
as the top of the line engine, and the 360hp/454cid, LS5 was not in competition, with the solid lifter, L78/and/LS6 engines......Someone, probably HAD all weekend to think about what he did'nt do
on friday, and (that was to OK) the LS6 Chevelle being born, soon, too...So probably, monday morning 11/10/1969 the LS6 got it's over due approval, which should have happened at the same time as the LS5 Chevelle was approved, 3 days earlier.........anyway............
_______________
Dave, was this a zone memo/or/ plant bulletin/or/ ????????, just curious...
__________________________________________________ _____________
According to my information, 1969 Corvette's were still being manufactured into December 1969, and was still getting the 427 engine, at the same time 1970 Z15 LS6's/and/LS5's Chevelles were starting to get built.............Don

Don-
The Baltimore LS6 'vert had a build date of 4-07. I can't answer about the zone car/demo thing, but it would make sense to me that it was.
The dates are in the assembly manual, under LS5 and LS6 options, IIRC. I'll look at work tuesday to be sure, as that is where my build sheets are as well.
I have read the same thing about the Corvette....don't remember why this was, unless thay had that many orders or a strike...

Possible update for an Arlington car...Haven't seen any documentation yet, but there is an LS6 going through the Auburn auction today, the VIN is R202069, and the tag has a date of 01B. I am off to see what the day holds....muscle car buyers are a bit apprehensive this year so far....

GMs Restoration Kit with pages dated September, 1969 shows the LS5 on numerous occasions. Isn't it likely that the LS5 would have been available from day 1 but none were ordered or aren't known about before mid-December? I realize some things go into print and get changed, but would there have been a hold on ordering the LS5 for 3 months?

GMs Restoration Kit with pages dated September, 1969 shows the LS5 on numerous occasions. Isn't it likely that the LS5 would have been available from day 1 but none were ordered or aren't known about before mid-December? I realize some things go into print and get changed, but would there have been a hold on ordering the LS5 for 3 months?

The official release date for the LS6 was Jan 1st,but I think the Sept 69 Car Craft had an article with a beta car featured(complete with 396 badging)but not sure about the LS5.I seem to recall a thread on here awhile back where a member had a documented VN LS5 with a Sept casting,not sure about the cars exact build date but I think it could have been around that 90 day window. Wouldn't be a GM anamoly really as the last of the L78 Pontiac(400) motors were built in the fall of 77,but they installed them all the way till the end of 79 Formula/TA production so that's well over a year and a half vs a few short months with the early LS5/6's waiting for chassis-the Pilot LS6 coupe's engine has a 9/22/69 casting for comparison.JMO

The official release date for the LS6 was Jan 1st,but I think the Sept 69 Car Craft had an article with a beta car featured(complete with 396 badging)but not sure about the LS5.I seem to recall a thread on here awhile back where a member had a documented VN LS5 with a Sept casting,not sure about the cars exact build date but I think it could have been around that 90 day window. Wouldn't be a GM anamoly really as the last of the L78 Pontiac(400) motors were built in the fall of 77,but they installed them all the way till the end of 79 Formula/TA production so that's well over a year and a half vs a few short months with the early LS5/6's waiting for chassis-the Pilot LS6 coupe's engine has a 9/22/69 casting for comparison.JMO

I wanted to clear up a misconception that I have never seen any "hard" facts with... Namely the idea that the LS6 was going to be released on Jan 1 or that there was an "offical" release date. To my knowledge there wasn't a hard fast date for the release of the option..The 1st was always used in the magazines and was probably a date given by GM as a maximum date, but I've never seen where it was "the" date.

I think the option was going to be released once a number of factors were met..
1) the cancelation of the L78..which took place 10/30/69 with the memo declaring the option wasn't able to be ordered, and no orders were going to be accepted
2) the "improved" M22 was ready to be used..."improved" due to the need for increased strength due to 454 torque output
3) the Chevelle L78 engines assembled were used up and customer orders for L78's were filled

I'm sure there were other criteria that was to be met as well.

I think the reason the LS6, came in at an odd time..12/9 was simply this was when the other factors weren't "factors" As far as LS5 production not happening earlier than the LS6, I still say Chevrolet wanted to make sure the 4spd manual trans behind the option was good to go, but also wanted probably to capitalize on the LS6 option. Keep in mind the LS6 was very anticipated so the marketing strategy could have been why release the LS5 when there was a good chance the option would "sit" and folks would wait for the LS6...Release them together and capitalize off the hype..just a thought.

Greg

I wanted to clear up a misconception that I have never seen any "hard" facts with... Namely the idea that the LS6 was going to be released on Jan 1 or that there was an "offical" release date. To my knowledge there wasn't a hard fast date for the release of the option..The 1st was always used in the magazines and was probably a date given by GM as a maximum date, but I've never seen where it was "the" date.

I think the option was going to be released once a number of factors were met..
1) the cancelation of the L78..which took place 10/30/69 with the memo declaring the option wasn't able to be ordered, and no orders were going to be accepted
2) the "improved" M22 was ready to be used..."improved" due to the need for increased strength due to 454 torque output
3) the Chevelle L78 engines assembled were used up and customer orders for L78's were filled

I'm sure there were other criteria that was to be met as well.

I think the reason the LS6, came in at an odd time..12/9 was simply this was when the other factors weren't "factors" As far as LS5 production not happening earlier than the LS6, I still say Chevrolet wanted to make sure the 4spd manual trans behind the option was good to go, but also wanted probably to capitalize on the LS6 option. Keep in mind the LS6 was very anticipated so the marketing strategy could have been why release the LS5 when there was a good chance the option would "sit" and folks would wait for the LS6...Release them together and capitalize off the hype..just a thought.

Greg

Greg,

Semantics aside,that was the target release date for the RPO.There was nothing hard and fast about cancellation/release dates for Chevelle powerplants in late 69-no sooner had they gone into production on LS5/6 engines than congress decided to kill them.There is "hard" evidence that numerous LS5 Monte carlo SS's were built in the fall,why they chose to wait on the Chevelle avalibilty is a more than likely for marketing that new platform.Every(real:) Dec LS6 sheet I have seen was an XXX car- which pretty much tells you those were very early orders-the 12/22 LS6 Elco that recentely sold on ebay by the original owner had a dealer order form dated 10/24-and I think the POP was dated 1/10/70 so factoring in the holiday break that was pretty close to their timeline.No doubt they had to exhaust L78 inventory first as well.

Mark,

The reason for the Ls5 in the Monte Carlo being built in the fall, I think is more reflective of the lack of a manual trans in that body style. This would account for the availaibity of the LS5 MC's earlier than the Chevelles..The targeted date of Jan 1 was simply that... As far as the customer orders..I would agree most of the early cars were customer orders, however dealers also ordered cars as "customer" units to ensure a speedy build. I've spoken to quite a few local guys that worked at the various local dealers who confirmed they would place an order as a "sold" unit as the plants routinely build "sold" units first or moved them up to the front...This is still a very common practice with highly anticiapated cars..

I know Jim Mattison was a keynote speaker at the SCR..crossing my fingers and eyeballs that Mr. Nelson was able to corner him for five minutes on this topic but I'm sure the line was very long,lol

Wasn't sure if anyone else had mentioned this LS5 Chevelle..VIN last 6 157687 Va Nuys car ...has a buildsheet and appears to have been ordered for the LA auto show..Car was charged to Chevrolet Regional Office Pacific Coast.. cars scheduled date is 12-12..very nicely optioned car..

December 16th must have been a busy LS-6 build date! I have copies of original build sheets for an LS-6 convertible that was produced within a very few VIN's after the other Van Nuys Dec 16th car already posted (which I also have a sheet on) making it the second earliest known from this plant and the earliest convertible if I recall correctly. The convertible is a blue/blue Zone Courtesy car and was charged to Chevrolet Motor Division. However, this car was delivered to Colorado and appears to be a known car.
Rick

..... December, 2006............Don.
___________________________
1970--------TRIM----BUILD-----ENGINE------POSTEDBY-----DATEPOSTED--
CHEVELLE----TAG----SHEET-----CODE-------USERNAME-------ONTHIS------
FACTORY----DATE----DATE------LS ??-----Team Chevelle-----WEBSITE----
__________________________________________________ ___________________
Baltimore----12B---12/09/1969----LS6--------greg2001-------08/30/2005
Leeds/KC----12B---12/11/1969---LS6----------RixLS6---------04/10/2006
Van Nuys----12C---12/15/1969---LS6-----------mr70---------04/11/2006
Atlanta------12C---12/15/1969---LS6-------Dave Birdwell-----03/19/2006
Arlington----01A---(---------)----LS5----------LevonH---------02/12/2006
Oshawa-----01B--01/12/1970----LS5-----------RC70----------11/18/2004
Flint--------03B---(---------)----LS6------(F/S/on e-bay)-----03/31/2006
__________________________________________________ _____________
So far.....earliest known built hardtops...........................
1st known and documented 1970 Chevelle SS/ LS6 was built at Baltimore, Tuesday Dec.9,1969.

___2nd earliest documented...LS6/was built at Leeds/KC...Thursday Dec.11,1969.....

..1st known and documented 1970 Chevelle SS/ LS5 was built at Leeds/KC Monday Dec.15,1969.....
_________________________________________________
__ interesting facts.....about earliest known 1970 built Z15 convertibles.......so far..........

The 1st documented 1970 Z15 Chevelle SS/ LS6 convertible, so far, was built
Tuesday Dec.16,1969 at Baltimore........

The 1st documented 1970 Z15 Chevelle SS/ LS5 convertible, so far, was built Wed. Dec.17,1969 at Van Nuys..........
__________________________________________________
Last known built Z15 Chevelle SS/LS6, so far,was built [07C] at Leeds/KC.Monday July 20,1970
__________________________________________________ _________________________________

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-chevelle-ss-super-sport-convertible_W0QQitemZ150071806932QQihZ005QQcategor yZ6164QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Vehicle Description
Your bidding on a "1970 chevelle ss convertible matching numbers 454 LS5 with factory 4speed,12 bolt posi 411", the motor is october 9 1969 the heads are october 9 1969 the block is 512, 10/27/CRT "This car was built 12A 1969" with factory black,with white stipes with black buckets this car is alot of fun with the top down 4spd and a big block watch out....

On Dec-16-06, seller added the following information:
This car has new floor pan and trunk done by a well known welding shop in connecticut,also the paint is base clear,and drive it anywere this car has posi 411 and the motors rebuilt,"we found the build sheet but was riped up".!!!!.

On Dec-16-06, seller added the following information:
The built sheet was not readable the welder should it to me, "i threw it away", it was totaly unreadable.!!!!!.

[VIN#136670B124895] - BALTIMORE's "NOVEMBER 1969" PRODUCTION ENDING NUMBER IS = [122,126].

Supposedly, the very "1st" 1970/Z15/LS6 built at Baltimore,12/9/69 [12B] and it's VIN # is [127,012]...

With "the possibilty of being, THE EARLIEST, ever produced 1970/ Z15/ Chevelle", period..
and probably,"the earliest possible", factory produced 1970/ Z15/ LS5 Chevelle convertible, ever....
...if this were true.....and could be proven....with THE proper verification... what a find.....!!!!!!!!!!...

I would love to see all of these documents,......as proof of, factory origin....for this particular car....
1) an original buildsheet.......
2) the original P-O-P.......
3) the original number matching engine.....w/ partial v.i.n#.......
4) the original factory invoice.......

Could anybody with a legitimate, "Baltimore built,[12A]" 1970 Chevelle SS [Z15 / LS-5] convertible,
even consider throwing away the buildsheet, even if it was, unreadable ??????..NICE CAR, anyway....

Considering the facts below, at Baltimore, Monday 12/8/69".
"1st known/documented 1970 Chevelle SS/LS6/hardtop,was built [12B] at Baltimore,Tuesday 12/9/69".
"1st documented 1970 Z15 Chevelle SS/LS5/convertible, was built [12C] Wed. 12/17/69 at Van Nuys"..

The engine numbers look good, even with the camera not being in sharp focus... [I've seen worse]...
I see that on the bottom line on a lot of real 70 Baltimore SS's. Kind of like the [L] thing on K.C. cars. Any body else see it on their Baltimore 70's?

Even has a trim tag, picture, that looks, ok...but apparently, there is, no other documentation.....Don.
__________________________________________________ _____________
update.......Dec.19,2006 AM..
I just looked at the 'vert on Ebay.. The pilot and all of the LS5/6's from B-more I've seen have the "B D"...I'm not 100% sure I've ever really noticed a 'vert though..I would expect to see the "D" as I'm inclined to think ti was a internal code for option content consistent with the "SS" package..

Here's my thoughts..

First the car if real should have good option content as more than likely it would have been an exce or zone car..especially that early..

Second the lack of a "D" on the tag is odd...I think it is an orginal B-more tag though as most of the restamped tags lack the body jig number in the upper right corner, which seems to be on all B-more tags

Third...the engine and tran VIN numbers will be the same font if original..B-more used a fairly small font for VIN useage..

IMO it isn't worth any more than another 'vert with a big block and comparable quality............Greg
Apparently, IMO we have a false alarm, on this car being, "what the seller claims it to be",
an early-dated [12A] Baltimore built, 1970 Chevelle SS454 / LS5...without the thrown away, buildsheet.

Another set of those 4.11 gears :wacko: - [I][B]alot of those around I suppose. "these cars are a real blue chip investment there going up better than stocks and bonds."

First item the seller has sold but he buy some SS wheels and an SS dash cluster in October - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200039712487 -
wonder if that is what is in the car?

Something just screams the seller isn't well versed in what they are trying to sell.

What about the last one built????

LateBrake,
The 7/20/1970 Leeds built car was still in existence last I heard, but is overseas..Rick
I don't have a clue, when the last 1970 Chevelle SS LS6 convertible, was built...........Don.

.....April 23,2006.......
Does anyone have an early (VIN numbered) Flint built chevelle, even a non-SS, just to confirm when Flint started 1970 Chevelle production????
Can anyone confirm when Flint, started 1970 Chevelle production..... buildsheets from Flint are, super rare......... Don ...
I finally found, an early "Flint built 1970 Chevelle SS396"......[09D].....vin# 136370F115040......
Engine Code: T0730CTW = July 30, 1969 / 396 Automatic - 0F115040 Engine code matches VIN..
http://www.worldofwheelz.web.aplus.net/images/ebay/70chevychevellebluevinnie/DSC00046.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280098894273&fromMakeTrack=true#Photo
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e43/Rixls6/6f00bf24.jpg

Here's a list of 1970 Chevelle monthly ending VIN's by assembly plant.

.....April 21,2007....update........
___________________________
1970--------TRIM----BUILD-----ENGINE------POSTEDBY----DATEPOSTED--
CHEVELLE----TAG----SHEET-----CODE-------USERNAME-------ONTHIS------
FACTORY----DATE----DATE------LS ??-----Team Chevelle-----WEBSITE----
__________________________________________________ ___________________
Baltimore----12B---12/09/1969----LS6--------greg2001-------08/30/2005
Leeds/KC----12B---12/11/1969---LS6----------RixLS6---------04/10/2006
Van Nuys----12C---12/15/1969---LS6-----------mr70---------04/11/2006
Atlanta------12C---12/15/1969---LS6-------Dave Birdwell-----03/19/2006
Arlington----01A---(---------)----LS5----------LevonH-------02/12/2006
Oshawa-----01B----01/12/1970---LS5----------RC70---------11/18/2004
Flint--------03B---(--/--/1970)----LS6------(F/S/on e-bay)----03/31/2006
__________________________________________________ _____________

Still have very,very limited information on Flint, Michigan built 1970 Chevelle's....

Apparently, not many buildsheets from this factory made their way into cars, then, and probably not too many number matching cars, exist today...

Does anyone have knowledge of a documented, early built Flint Z15 Chevelle SS ?? .......

By now, almost everyone knows, that Z15's were probably not being built until early December, 1969 at Atlanta, Baltimore, Kansas City, and Van Nuys......
Arlington, Oshawa, and Flint supposedly did not start Z15 production until Janurary/Feburary 1970....
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143583
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-LS6-454-450hp_W0QQitemZ260028461679QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6164 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#lg

Could this be a, "RARE" 1970 FLINT, "CHEVELLE SS454" buildsheet ?
____ #136370F123190 _______03B___LS6/M22____
http://images2.auction123.com/sizequalitypredef/c35674a3-556b-4923-8be8-7d27361e2fb5/163670F123190/09.jpg?w800
http://images2.auction123.com/sizequalitypredef/c35674a3-556b-4923-8be8-7d27361e2fb5/163670F123190/05.jpg?w800
http://images2.auction123.com/sizequalitypredef/c35674a3-556b-4923-8be8-7d27361e2fb5/163670F123190/02.jpg?w800
http://images2.auction123.com/sizequalitypredef/c35674a3-556b-4923-8be8-7d27361e2fb5/163670F123190/03.jpg?w800
http://images2.auction123.com/sizequalitypredef/c35674a3-556b-4923-8be8-7d27361e2fb5/163670F123190/06.jpg?w800
http://images2.auction123.com/sizequalitypredef/c35674a3-556b-4923-8be8-7d27361e2fb5/163670F123190/08.jpg?w800
http://images2.auction123.com/sizequalitypredef/c35674a3-556b-4923-8be8-7d27361e2fb5/163670F123190/07.jpg?w800
http://images2.auction123.com/sizequalitypredef/c35674a3-556b-4923-8be8-7d27361e2fb5/163670F123190/49.jpg?w800
__________________________________________________ ______.

The only thing, "that really scares me", about this car's documents, is this particular picture...

http://images2.auction123.com/sizequalitypredef/c35674a3-556b-4923-8be8-7d27361e2fb5/163670F123190/72.jpg?w800

As blurry as it is, the numbers look, "almost too perfectly, straight".....................................Don.

Don-
You might want to make a note in your chart that the Flint car is the earliest known CLONE!!! :)

December 16th must have been a busy LS-6 build date! I have copies of original build sheets for an LS-6 convertible that was produced within a very few VIN's after the other Van Nuys Dec 16th car already posted (which I also have a sheet on) making it the second earliest known from this plant and the earliest convertible if I recall correctly.

The convertible is a blue/blue Zone Courtesy car and was charged to Chevrolet Motor Division. However, this car was delivered to Colorado and appears to be a known car.
Rick

12-16-1969 LS6 convertible "Zone Courtesy Car" buildsheet ......
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x66/LeeAStewart/70LS6convertBUILDsheet.jpg

Good LS6 convertible thread =...... http://www.highdefforum.com/car-forum/129493-1970-chevelle-ss-454-450hp-ls6-convertible-3.html

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x66/LeeAStewart/Muscle%20Cars%202/ls6_letter.jpg

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/6674/1970chevroletpg01.jpg

mr
that is pretty cool stuff! Thanks for posting that info.


Don't know if this helps, but my 1970 LS5 SS454 Monte Carlo (option Z-20)

engine assembled stamping 0917CRN

SEPTEMBER 17, 1969
AND IS A VAN NUYS BUILT CAR.

Tim

I know you guys are focusing on identifying chevelles built with the LS5 and LS6.

But I wanted to mention that on the above MonteCarlo's trim tag is is dated 9D.

So the car was built the 4th week of Sept. 1969. The title also says first year sold as 1969.

I have the build sheet but all 4 corners were missing. IT was located on the gas tank.
The car was shipped to Three Way Chevrolet in Bakersfield, Ca. I later bought the car in 1985 from an individual living in Bakersfield.

I have a Van Nuys LS6 sport coupe in the LS6 Registry (with buildsheet) dated 12-15, sequence 1585xx.

I know you guys are focusing on identifying chevelles built with the LS5 and LS6.

But I wanted to mention that on the above Monte Carlo's trim tag is is dated 09D.

So the car was built the 4th week of Sept. 1969. The title also says first year sold as 1969.

I have the build sheet but all 4 corners were missing. IT was located on the gas tank.
The car was shipped to Three Way Chevrolet in Bakersfield, Ca. I bought the car in 1985 from an individual in Bakersfield.

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae179/ratchetmaster/1970SS454MonteCarlo.jpg

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae179/ratchetmaster/paside.jpg


One needs to remember that the LS5,, was not an option but rather the base engine of the Z15 SS Equipment option.
The Z15 option is shown in the earliest of Chevelle brochures and other information as early as September 1969.

Tim, you have a neat Z-20 SS equipment optioned car, I have always loved the Monte Carlo SS454's.
In about 1972 a kid about 30 miles down the road, had a dark green first-generation Monte Carlo w/a factory 4-speed ....


I have a Van Nuys LS6 sport coupe in the LS6 Registry (with buildsheet) dated 12-15, sequence 1585xx.
:yes:
I have a good friend who sent me papers on his 12/15/1969 LS-6 Chevelle from the Van Nuys Calif. plant.
Has anyone mentioned this LS-5 Chevelle ...VIN #157687 Van Nuys car ... cars scheduled date is 12-12-1969 ...very nicely optioned car..
has a buildsheet and appears to have been ordered for the LA auto show ...Car was charged to Chevrolet Regional Office Pacific Coast ...

Here's a new one I picked up. Its a 12C LS5 Kansas El Camino, VIN number K144295. It has a lot of options including a posi rear end, sport wheel and tilt, map light, under hood light and more. I don't have a build sheet or any documentation but it does have the original engine with vin stamp. Is this the earliest Z15 Elky? Its Vin is really close to my 70SS LS5 4 speed built 12-15, K144646.

Here's some pics of the El Camino.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/th_IMG_3777-1.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/?action=view&current=IMG_3777-1.jpg) http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/th_IMG_3780-1.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/?action=view&current=IMG_3780-1.jpg) http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/th_IMG_4042.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/?action=view&current=IMG_4042.jpg) http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/th_KGrHqZiE1KJoQUsfBN7ezR5g_12.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/?action=view&current=KGrHqZiE1KJoQUsfBN7ezR5g_12.jpg) http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/th_KGrHqZloE1GGmdK6BNbbnjscqg_12.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/?action=view&current=KGrHqZloE1GGmdK6BNbbnjscqg_12.jpg) http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/th_KGrHqJjgE0vfd6Q-BN95VUg_12.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/?action=view&current=KGrHqJjgE0vfd6Q-BN95VUg_12.jpg) http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/th_IMG_4037-1.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/?action=view&current=IMG_4037-1.jpg) http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/th_IMG_4033.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/?action=view&current=IMG_4033.jpg)

Here's a new one I picked up. Its a 12C LS5 Kansas El Camino, VIN number K144295. It has a lot of options including a posi rear end, sport wheel and tilt, map light, under hood light and more. I don't have a build sheet or any documentation but it does have the original engine with vin stamp. Is this the earliest Z15 Elky? Its Vin is really close to my 70SS LS5 4 speed built 12-15, K144646.

Here's some pics of the El Camino.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/th_IMG_3777-1.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/?action=view&current=IMG_3777-1.jpg) http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/th_IMG_3780-1.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/?action=view&current=IMG_3780-1.jpg) http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/th_IMG_4042.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/?action=view&current=IMG_4042.jpg) http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/th_KGrHqZiE1KJoQUsfBN7ezR5g_12.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/?action=view&current=KGrHqZiE1KJoQUsfBN7ezR5g_12.jpg) http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/th_KGrHqZloE1GGmdK6BNbbnjscqg_12.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/?action=view&current=KGrHqZloE1GGmdK6BNbbnjscqg_12.jpg) http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/th_KGrHqJjgE0vfd6Q-BN95VUg_12.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/?action=view&current=KGrHqJjgE0vfd6Q-BN95VUg_12.jpg) http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/th_IMG_4037-1.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/?action=view&current=IMG_4037-1.jpg) http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/th_IMG_4033.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/ccarney69/1970%20SS%20El%20Camino/?action=view&current=IMG_4033.jpg)

Could be, Chris. Need to get them both in the LS5 Registry (http://ls5registry.macswebs.com/index.htm). :yes:

Mr.
Thanks. I have heard about the 4 speed montes but I have never seen one!

ccarney69
Love the elco!! My X got my elco in the divorce last year!! :(

I need to find another one for a project!

here it is.

This is just after I finished it.

http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae179/ratchetmaster/elcodone3.jpg

This is two years or so ago when I was trying out some aftermarket wheels on it. My X took it like this. She didn't want the SS wheels . . . lol
http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae179/ratchetmaster/f7fbabe94e02__1278626751000.jpg

I will Dale, tonight along with another one.

Nice Elky Mr.D