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: Dent pulling tips


MARTINSR
Jul 22nd, 03, 8:29 PM
These are a few tricks to pull a dent out when you have no access to the back. There are a million and one ways to do it, these are just a few. I use these and others all the time, there are few right and wrong ways to get it done, just as long as you can get it done. I made these tips up for those who don’t have a stud welder or other electric style pullers, but you will still need a MIG. They are also used instead of a stud welder if you had one. These methods will pull much thicker metals and or dents that have more resistance to pulling like where you will find body lines. The number 2 method is particularly good for where you have a long body line that is pushed in. You can weld pulling tab right on the body line and gently pull out a long area bringing the line right into shape even on strong metal. The one warning I must give you is that you have to remember that you are MIG welding the tab on. If you pull to hard on the tab or the washer that is welded on, you will tear the metal! If you do, well you will just have weld it up. It is not the end of the world, but you will want to avoid it. I can’t stress this enough, these tips are not for little shallow waves or something. They are for serious low spots, where you must get it up a pretty fair amount, it is not worth it to get a fraction of an inch. They can be used for this, it is true, but it takes a good long while using the methods to get that proficient at it.

After using the “tool” carefully cut the weld thru the middle with a die grinder and 1/32” cut off disc. Then grind the little bit of weld you leave off, it is that easy.

The first (fig 1) is a simple old trick, you weld a large washer to the low spot and either hook some sort of slide hammer to it or using leverage like in the diagram. I usually use constant even pressure with leverage like the diagram for better control. In fact, I seldom use anything like a slide hammer on anything like this because it just doesn’t allow you enough control. In the diagram I have a long pry bar that is stuck into the hole on the washer and laid across a piece of wood. Applying pressure to the back of the bar will pull up on the dent. Apply the pressure and then tap on the high spots (or even level spots) that are right around the low spot, it will usually come up pretty easily.

The second tip (fig 2) is a trick that has worked wonders for me. This trick works so good, I have taught it to many guys in the shop. This method is the method of choice even though we have some very nice equipment for doing such things. It is just perfect with plenty of control and gets the job done fast. I have made up these “taps” for pulling from little pieces of sheet metal. They are about 20 gauge metal and approx. one and a half by three and a half inches. I have welded a few short beads to them on top to hold the Vice grip from sliding off (fig 2b). The tool I use to apply pressure is a “Pogo stick”, an old bodymans tool that has been around for years. They are pretty inexpensive, I think about $100.00. You could make one pretty easy if you wanted to. The chain that comes with a single hook on one end (fig 3) and double hook on the other (similar to fig 4). After the tap is welded on the car and the Vice grip (you’ll notice the one I use has curved jaws and I believe it is for pipe) is attached I just hook the single hook on the front of the Vice Grips where they pivot (fig 5). The Pogo stick has hooks on it (fig 4) where you hook the chain on. I use the bottom hook for more leverage about 99 out of a 100 times. The Pogo stick has a metal “foot” with rubber on it at one end and a bicycle type handle grip at the other.
You put the foot on something solid like the spring perch in this case. Hook the chain on and apply force going down (sometimes up, depending on where you can put the foot) while tapping on the metal surrounding the dent.

Gentle constant pressure is always better than something like a slide hammer. These two methods provide that for you.


http://members.aol.com/buickfam/pogostick.jpg

snydes
Jul 23rd, 03, 10:11 PM
Super post Martin graemlins/hurray.gif graemlins/thumbsup.gif

That one is going in the 'ol archive,

Steve

Jimmy P
Jul 24th, 03, 9:42 AM
Nice graphic illustrations! You're getting good at this!
I have a dent that's scaring me a little. maybe you can help me with. It's on a large expanse of what was very straight metal, a 72 GTO hood. The flex fan tore itself loose at 4,000 rpm and flew into the bottom of the hood, cut the under support and made another dent on the 'side' of the hood. (where the RAM AIR decal goes).
I had just bought the car and 1/2 mile from the place where I bought it, this happened! It's like getting a date with a real good lookin babe, and on your first date, out on the town, she gets a huge pimple in the middle of her forehead!
The site of initial impact has stretched the metal
pretty good, sticking up 1/8". How would you go about repairing this one without warping the area around it? The buldge has to be shrunk, correct?

MARTINSR
Jul 24th, 03, 10:24 AM
Friggin junk fans! Can you post a picture? It sounds like you lucked out and the dent is in a narrow curved area (where the decal goes). You are saying It's on "a large expanse of what was very straight metal", but as I remember, right where the decal goes is some curves? This would have to be treated very, very carefully or you will end up with more damage.

Post the pictures and I can walk you through it as best as I can.

Jimmy P
Jul 24th, 03, 11:47 AM
The blade went straight up, hit the off-center 1st, then deflected over toward the driver's side, cut a 3/4" gash through the support, then hit the side (ram air decal area). I would have it rather taken out the radiator! I'll post some pic's when I get home.

66chevelless427
Jul 24th, 03, 1:03 PM
Great post.

I have one Idea I am thinking about trying on my wife's mustang. It's a 94 model and on the rear quarter panel just under the body line and above the wheel well is a creased dent almost the entire length of the quarter panel. Eastwood has a what I call a wrinkle wire stud puller. The wire is bent in a length of triangles you weld inside the crease and then using a claw lookig thing you slowing work along the crease. What I was thinking is I can buy some of that wire and use my tig and weld it in the crease(I don't want to pay for the stud welder if i have something at home that will work. Then I can make me a claw with scrap material from work. Then work it like that

What do you guys think. Any recommendations. I can take a pic tonight and post it here. Iwill of course need some help posting the pic.

Thanks

Todd

Randy Mosier
Jul 24th, 03, 3:34 PM
I'm about to try out this ARC dent puller my brother-in-law gave me. It's a stick, pull, and twist type that uses no studs. The company is based in Seattle, and they sell these all over the west coast. I'll let you know how it works.

Jimmy P
Jul 24th, 03, 7:02 PM
Here's some pictures of the problem dent.




http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/hoodpimple2.jpg

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/Hoodpimple.jpg

BYW, here's a pic of the once straight car!

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/72GTO.jpg

MARTINSR
Jul 24th, 03, 8:18 PM
Todd, my fig 2 would do the same thing for you. But I have a feeling that I would want to use the stud welder and just do one after another gently raising the crease a little at a time from one end to the other. Maybe you could rent one?

Jimmy, that first photo looks pretty bad, wow, it almost came thru!
Can you post another photo showing the whole hood so I can get a better idea of just where it is at on the hood?

Jimmy P
Jul 24th, 03, 8:59 PM
The big dent is just on the driver's side of the center crease, about 7" and in the middle of an expanse of flat metal. Here's a picture of the under side.

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/Underhooddent.jpg

66chevelless427
Jul 25th, 03, 12:26 PM
Thanks Martin. I think I am missing something on the pogo stick. Is the shaft of the stick flexible. If it's not it looks as if the pulling force would pull the panel down and out. Couldn't that cause more distortion. You have more experience than I do. It does look like it would work the same as the other method I stated.
Thanks for the help

Todd

MARTINSR
Jul 25th, 03, 8:05 PM
It is not flexable and does pull it down as well as out, depending one where you put the foot and at what angle you have the "stick". This drawing maybe doesn't depict exactly how it would work. I should have put the stick at more of an upward angle.
Good observation.

Jimmy P
Jul 25th, 03, 9:31 PM
Any ideas for that mean dent in the hood, MartinSr ?

sevt_chevelle
Jul 26th, 03, 10:10 PM
I made something that is somewhat close to Martin's pogostick idea.
I got this idea few years back from using the bigger stud welding machines as some have an attachment like this that is used to pull the dent out, but on a smaller scale.
I use this puller when I think or the stud gun wont pull out the damage but yet dont want to use a power or pulling post as that is too much in some cases.

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/leverbar.jpg

Its rougly 4ft long made out of square tubing. Similar to the pogo stick you place the rubber sole on a solid object, but with this you can move the pulling point up or down depending on your needs.
I can extend the bottom "foot" out to reach a solid object that might not be within normal reach. As shown the bottom has two set screws by loosing them I can place a spacer inbetween the lever bar and the rubber foot.
To make the pull I can weld some sheetmetal to the damage and attach a MO-clamp(brand name)or use a vise grip like Martin showed, attach that clamp or chain to the chain link that is welded to the lever bar. To raise or lower the pulling point just loosen the set screw by the link and adjust to your needs.

I have about 15 bucks invested in this tool and one old work boot for its rubber sole...Eric

Randy Mosier
Jul 26th, 03, 11:12 PM
Jimmy, I was at the 377 show tonight. I didn't see you anywhere. But that dent should be fairly easy to flatten out. It looked like you have access from the back side, so you should be able to use a hammer and dolly, maybe by using an off dolly technique. The trick for you is to pull the hood and flip it over on saw horses and do it from the underside, that is, the dolly should be placed on the outside, and hammer it from the back. You should be able to get it to where a little glazing putty will be all that's needed to smooth it out. It didn't look like the metal was stretched too bad.

Under the hood, you should be able to just mig weld the brace where the blade sliced it. That's another reason to remove the hood, so it can be placed flat for welding, and too keep sparks off that nice looking 455.