: COPO Authenticity Documentation
johnmeade Jan 30th, 06, 2:59 PM I have found a 69 Chevrolet Chevelle, which I think is a COPO car. Here’s why: The production sequence was 393617, that sequence was when Copo's were being built. The engine stamp CE701439, Casting 3963512, Cast date C-23-70. The heads castings are 3919840, dates are A 29 9, and A 27 9, Intake is 3933163, trim tag is 13637BAL 26389. The TRM is 756 69B PNT, 06C BL192037 8. Original 1/4 with no holes drilled for Malibu or SS emblems, SS wheels with Chevy centers non SS. Deep Groove.
How do I go about assistance with Authenticity Documentation on this vehicle?
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Don_Lightfoot Jan 30th, 06, 4:21 PM John, there are a few things I can highlight for you.
1) - Baltimore Assembly Plant is where most of the COPO's were built. I believe there is record of at least one built at a different plant.
2) - Quarter panels with no holes. Keep in mind that SS cars did not have anything on the quarters either.
3) - Various engine components - block, heads & intake seem to be appropriate.
4) - I may be wrong, but I thought COPO's did get the SS on the wheel center caps??????
However, none of the above would be specific proof. There is a list somewhere on the web with most of the COPO serial numbers quoted. Unfortunately I couldn't find it right now.
Hope this helps a bit.
69ssmike Jan 30th, 06, 5:40 PM http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/76003/an/0/page/0 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php Info here , these are known COPO's
alss Jan 30th, 06, 6:06 PM There should be no holes in the center of the rear panel..no emblem was there on a COPO but also not on a MAlibu so if no Malibu emblem and no rear emblem ..maybe. Check the rear code..MUST be KQ code..only rear avaiable in a COPO 4:10 posi..single 3/8 fuel line..disc brakes, no F-41..what is the build date?? picture of the trim tag would also help.
ALbert
Mike Jan 30th, 06, 6:46 PM A COPO's with a crate engine?
Which is what the CE701439 stamping indicates.
Even with correct date codes it sounds like a clone to me.
Engine codes were/are:
MQ for the 427-425 HP w/4-Speeds and MP w/Automatics.
Mike Jan 30th, 06, 6:47 PM A COPO's with a crate engine? Which is what the CE701439 stamping indicates.
Even with correct date codes it sounds like a clone to me.
Engine codes were/are:
MQ for the 427-425 HP w/4-Speeds and MP w/Automatics.
Don_Lightfoot Jan 30th, 06, 7:19 PM A COPO's with a crate engine? Which is what the CE701439 stamping indicates.
Mike, check his casting date of the block. Not in the normal run of 69 model year dates. Thus the CE designation representing possible warranty replacement.
No need to start throwing the word "clone" around, at least not yet based on the information provided.
Keith Tedford Jan 30th, 06, 7:55 PM These cars had a 5 and 50 warranty. Some didn't sell until 1971 due to slow sales caused by the insurance companies clamping down. It's possible that one of these '69s could still be under warranty until 1976 and still get a CE replacement engine if needed at that late date. I wouldn't be too quick to throw this car away. Lots of interesting numbers. The COPO cars that Beare Motors sold all had the standard SS wheels and SS centre caps.
AZCamino Jan 30th, 06, 10:04 PM The engine stamp CE701439, Casting 3963512, Cast date C-23-70.
It is my opinion that it is improbable for a block with a 1970 casting date to have been stamped with that CE number by the Tonowanda engine assembly plant. The stamp must be made up by someone who didn't know what they were doing in an attempt to make the engine appear to be a service replacement.
The first number after the CE indicates the model year. If you believe the 7 then the model year would be 1977 (can't be 67, because the CE usage hadn't started yet), and the 512 block was only produced for the 1969, 1970, and 1971 model years. Also, the next given 5 digits would not be a block assembled at Tonowanda. The 01439 would decode as a 6 cyl service replacement assembled at the Flint Motor Plant.
I would suspect the block has been restamped.
This casts doubt on the rest of the car if someone is trying to suggest it is a COPO.
Bruce
Don_Lightfoot Jan 30th, 06, 11:24 PM Good clarification Bruce :thumbsup:
Besides the first number representing the year, how many other numbers were there in the normal CE stamping?
AZCamino Jan 30th, 06, 11:51 PM Besides the first number representing the year, how many other numbers were there in the normal CE stamping?
There were 5 more, but the given 5, 01439, do not represent a Tonowanda block.
Bruce
Ls6Convertible Jan 31st, 06, 4:51 PM Based on the information given, you do not have a copo car....there is also a digit missing on the body #
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