Did you guys check out the fine print in the lower left corner of page 40 of the February 2006 HOT ROD Magazine? It states:

"We're issuing a challenge to all the wannabe's out there; put up or shut up at our Pro Touring shootout. Details to be announced later."

Sounds pretty interesting. :D

Wow that does sound cool can't wait to see that article write up.

sounds like what Car Craft calls the "Real Street Eliminator" to me.

sounds like what Car Craft calls the "Real Street Eliminator" to me....time to welcome "Hot Rod" to the 1980s. ;)

If it's anywhere close... and my car is done... and I'm not broke... or out of vacation days... I'll enter :thumbsup: :D

There are quite a few Pro Touring types on this site. I wonder who the "wannabe's" and the "road warriors" are?

Who do you guys think has the baddest PT Chevelle or El Camino who could take the title?

Who do you guys think has the baddest PT Chevelle or El Camino who could take the title?I think most of them are unfinished projects at this time.

Who do you guys think has the baddest PT Chevelle or El Camino who could take the title?

I think it also depends on the rules...

Some equate Pro-Touring with ultimate handling/braking , and some equate it with "overall" performance (including comfort and looks)...

Do a search for member "Scotty". I think he would be up towards the very top of the list. Twin turbo'ed LS engine making over 1000 hp and every bit streetable.

Jeff

I think it also depends on the rules...



Yeah, you will need some definition to the rule book on this one. I hope it doesn't go the way of the RSE competition. I was disappointed this year.

Joe

Anything ever come of this??

Has there been a date or location set-up?

I have heard that it is an invite only event, in the mid west, with a single driver putting the cars through the paces.
I know only a few details that I cannot discuss, but let's say the track is killer, the driver is very good, and the field of cars is impressive.



Tyler

Sounds a little too "cloak and dagger" to be of much use, but I have been wrong before.

This world of Hot Rods is a bit to small to try and be very exclusive. :)

I hope there are a few cars other than 1st gen Camaros represented. Thats not to say that I don't love a 1st gen but they are by far the most common PT cars and some variety would be nice.

Also Zefhix if I were you I would try and contact Hotrod about getting your car in. I would imagine with your mods and the fact that your car was at SEMA they would love to have you.

I have heard that it is an invite only event, in the mid west, with a single driver putting the cars through the paces.
I know only a few details that I cannot discuss, but let's say the track is killer, the driver is very good, and the field of cars is impressive.



Tyler

"invite only"? That's lame... In other words, anyone that hasn't spent a gadgillion cubic dollars on their ride, and hobnobs with magazine editors, can forget it. I'm sure the cars are impressive, but the whole thing will probably be of little value to us 'normal' folks beyond entertaining reading.

"invite only"? That's lame... In other words, anyone that hasn't spent a gadgillion cubic dollars on their ride, and hobnobs with magazine editors, can forget it. ...which is precisely why I will never buy a Hot Rod subscription.

Car Craft gets it. Real people, realistic cars, built on realistic budgets.

This is correct, it is an invite only event and all the cars were selected quite a while ago. As you can guess it is a who's who of the PT world, lots of big names or up and coming builders. It isn't really a stret fighter or RSE type event, more of a pro-bling event with some driving. There are no everyday-well-done street cars, they are all trailer queens.

This is correct, it is an invite only event and all the cars were selected quite a while ago. As you can guess it is a who's who of the PT world, lots of big names or up and coming builders. It isn't really a stret fighter or RSE type event, more of a pro-bling event with some driving. There are no everyday-well-done street cars, they are all trailer queens. You have got to be kidding me!?!?!? That's what this is going to be? The Westminster of Pro-Touring? Gag me. :rolleyes: The same professional driver for each car? The driver is 90% of the equation! This is truly lame. :sad:

It isn't really a stret fighter or RSE type event, more of a pro-bling event with some driving. There are no everyday-well-done street cars, they are all trailer queens.Gee, sounds interesting :rolleyes: I wonder if they'll all have to take pit-stops for a fresh coat of armor-all on the tires? :D

This should be a televised event. I'll volunteer to be an announcer, I've been practicing...

"The timed events are currently under a red-flag due to debris on the lower left quarter-panel, which the owner said was picked up in turn 3 by the armor-all on the tires. Track officials are reviewing the tapes to determine whether the dust was on the car before the race actually started, which may get this car disqualified like the others which didn't pass the inspection due to not being '69 Camaros.

Emergency-Response crews are now on the scene with a moist towelette to remove the debris. This is a critical situation, as removing the wax will put this car out of the race.

We'll be back after these messages from our sponsors, and hopefully the track-prep crew will be done vaccuming the track surface when we get back.

You're watching the Hot Rod Pro Touring shootout, brought to you by Rolex...."

Exactly.....lame...

Well I hope Friegburger is reading this thread. I guess this shootout will just be another PR stunt to promote product sales from the venders who pony up the big bucks. Too bad, I would really like to see the "Real World Cars" duke it out. It has potential to be very cool. :rolleyes:

This should be a televised event. I'll volunteer to be an announcer, I've been practicing...

"The timed events are currently under a red-flag due to debris on the lower left quarter-panel, which the owner said was picked up in turn 3 by the armor-all on the tires. Track officials are reviewing the tapes to determine whether the dust was on the car before the race actually started, which may get this car disqualified like the others which didn't pass the inspection due to not being '69 Camaros.

Emergency-Response crews are now on the scene with a moist towelette to remove the debris. This is a critical situation, as removing the wax will put this car out of the race.

We'll be back after these messages from our sponsors, and hopefully the track-prep crew will be done vaccuming the track surface when we get back.

You're watching the Hot Rod Pro Touring shootout, brought to you by Rolex...."

Hihi, truly brilliant :>

That is funny as hell Derek!!! Nicely done.

http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/images/smilies/thankyou.gif I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress.

Hey Derek have you thought about doing motivational speaking for High School seniors who drive rice burners? My schools full of em and they need help lol

It seems the new trend in "protouring" is a 69 camaro with a color matching stock ls1!!
I would love to be able to put the smack down on some $100K Camaro with my twins that I built MYSELF!!!!!!!

I would love to be able to put the smack down on some $100K Camaro with my twins that I built MYSELF!!!!!!! Which is exactly why it's invite only and the same driver in all the cars. Can you imagine the fallout if someone showed up in their low budget car and ran circles around all the fancy money is no object rolling showcases?

This is correct, it is an invite only event and all the cars were selected quite a while ago. As you can guess it is a who's who of the PT world, lots of big names or up and coming builders. It isn't really a stret fighter or RSE type event, more of a pro-bling event with some driving. There are no everyday-well-done street cars, they are all trailer queens.


Want to share where you got that definitive inside information? And could you send me the invite list? I'd like to know who we selected "quite a while ago," since we've only given perhaps three casual invitations. Nothing official has gone out yet.

True, this is an invitational. True, there will likely be a pro driver there for the people who would like him to drive their cars, but it is not required. True, there will be mostly megabuck trailer queens there. Our point was to call them out and see if they really work or not (since we've been pretty loud about bashing show cars that don't work), but we'll also invite some more real-world cars to see if they do or don't put the smackdown to the megabuck guys. The event is more of an open-track day than a race and it doesn't have rules, but we will test open-track, braking, and maybe quarter-mile and will list the cars in order of their performance. It's just a fun day so we can generate some editorial on some cool cars, and in some cases we'll probably be getting them to run on track for the first time. That's the "calling out the poseurs" part.

If you want to come, email photos and descriptions of your car to us: hotrod@primedia.com. Tell us why you'd be a good car to invite. We can't pick all of you due to limited time, but there's no reason some of you can't be there. It will be August in the Midwest.

DF

Which is exactly why it's invite only and the same driver in all the cars. Can you imagine the fallout if someone showed up in their low budget car and ran circles around all the fancy money is no object rolling showcases?

Once again, that's kinda the point. If you're the low-buck guy who can beat all the high-buck guys, email us.

DF

Once again, that's kinda the point. If you're the low-buck guy who can beat all the high-buck guys, email us.

DF I already did. January 11th to be exact. :)

Cool.

Please do this, too: put Open Track Smackdown in the subject line. I will help us sort the email, as we get about 100 a day.

DF

David,

Thanks for taking time to update us on this matter.

Make it real, make it fun! :thumbsup:

Dave, I'd like to reveal my source but that might put me "out of the loop" for future "insider" type info as he would probably/for sure be kicked out of the loop. I was asked about 2 months ago if I was one of the select on the invite list, so that is how I quantify my response that they have selected for quite some time.

I'll be ready, but taking a couple weeks off to drive back east is asking a bit much, how about some sort of regional type event where there a several events spread out across the country (break it up by time zones or something), obviously track times can't be compared and there will some variance due to weather conditions and altitude but at least everyone has a chance to attend that has a car worthy.

I guess the mega-buck guys can afford to travel wherever the event takes them.

I think they should do Road Course Week!!! Then DF can chastise the straight liners for not showing up. :D

Once again, that's kinda the point. If you're the low-buck guy who can beat all the high-buck guys, email us.Email sent... I certainly don't believe I can hang with the high-rollers, but I think for a car that probably has less than 1/10th the money stuck in it as many others, I certainly won't be embarrassed.

I'll be ready, but taking a couple weeks off to drive back east is asking a bit muchDon't be a wussy, stock the cooler with Red Bull, bring a relief driver, and make the drive in a day. ;) I'll be there just to go for a ride in the dump-truck.

Don't be a wussy, stock the cooler with Red Bull, bring a relief driver, and make the drive in a day. ;) I'll be there just to go for a ride in the dump-truck.
Don't tempt me...my wife already hates this hobby as it is.

Dave, I'd like to reveal my source but that might put me "out of the loop" for future "insider" type info as he would probably/for sure be kicked out of the loop. I was asked about 2 months ago if I was one of the select on the invite list, so that is how I quantify my response that they have selected for quite some time.


Your source is merely a self-proclaimed insider and his membership in the "loop" is anecdotal at best.

DF

Heh, I don't know about that. Keep in mind that while the Pro-Touring scene is growing too huge proportions, there are actually a fairly small number of us that have been there since the beginning and I know fairly well where the rest stand in the sport. In other words I know where most of the core members are and what they do for a living as well as converse with them off forum fairly regularly. Don’t you find it at all odd that 90% of cars featured in PHR lately have come from lateral-g or PT.com? I probably should have stated earlier that my "source" is actually a collection of insiders and I know for a fact they reside "inside the loop".

Somebody is a little more than frustrated with the response of the crowd with regard to their hyped up RSE type event (only instead of real street its more like real trailer).

I would love to participate at an event like this, but I like many others cannot afford to travel or take off work either. If it was done at Road America and great lakes dragway, count me in!

Dennis, it is funny you mention the guys that have been doing the PT thing a long time. I bought my 17" wheels 8 years ago for about $275 per rim!! Now, all I get from people is "those are ugly wheels"!! WELL, they are dated but still functional. Who can afford to spend $1200 per year on wheels to change with the times. I had these same wheels before most people knew what was going on.

How many PT cars go 9's in the quarter. Anybody heard of any?

Heh, I don't know about that. Keep in mind that while the Pro-Touring scene is growing too huge proportions, there are actually a fairly small number of us that have been there since the beginning and I know fairly well where the rest stand in the sport. In other words I know where most of the core members are and what they do for a living as well as converse with them off forum fairly regularly. Don’t you find it at all odd that 90% of cars featured in PHR lately have come from lateral-g or PT.com? I probably should have stated earlier that my "source" is actually a collection of insiders and I know for a fact they reside "inside the loop".

Somebody is a little more than frustrated with the response of the crowd with regard to their hyped up RSE type event (only instead of real street its more like real trailer).

Dude, it doesn't matter how entrenched you are in the niche, or who you may know who gets a paycheck from Primedia or Speedway Illustrated or whatever. None of them are involved with HRM or its event planning. You're hearing conjecture and repeating it as fact, and THAT's what's frustrating. Bottom line: there was no finalized invite list two months ago, and there's not one now that's any deeper than three or four cars.

DF

Scotty, I had a set of Weld Drag-Star 16's, they only built a handful of sets and when I sold them I must of got a dozen e-mails letting me know Weld never built 16" Drag-Stars and mine must have been XP's. IIRC I bought them in about 1990 for 150/ea.

Yeah, its funny to thing back to when I would buy the drag guys old back tires to run up front.

Dave, see PM.

1996 is when I put 17" rims on my chevelle. CenterLine Telstars in 17". About 2 years ago I called CenterLine to order a new set of rears with a different backspace. The lady on the phone told me that CenterLine did not, nor did they ever, produce Telstars in 17". When I told her that I actually had a set on my car she probably figured that I simply did not know the difference.

The best part, when I bought them they cost me the same at the 15" rims, $700 for the set of 4.


As for the whole storm that is brewing in this thread, Dennis please be careful passing on conjecture, even from a reliable source as fact. I realize how small the world of Hot Rodding is, but I also realize that when you get a bunch of us together we are worse then a sewing circle of old ladies.

I for one took what you said as fact and it lead to the formation notions in my head about this event that changed my opinion from one of hopeful optimism to almost dismissal. I am glad the the Freiburger got in here and saved the public view of his event, at least until ink hits paper, and I hope that it teaches the magazine fellows that the online community demands to be in the loop. Just ask GM with their camaro pictures.

It is so funny how history repeats itself.

I remember when the Pro Street craze was reaching full frenzy in the mid-1990's. The whole Fastest Street Car racing scene evolved from someone calling out the possers. Someone challenged someone else to a drag race to see if a couple of trailer queens were actually as fast as they looked. Remember back halved cars with wings and chutes that ran 13's, 14's and 15's in the 1320.

That is what is going here in the discussion of this thread. Only the subject has changed to Pro Touring this time. I for one am very intrigued to see what will come about this uproar. In the end it can't be anything but good competition for the whole Hot Rodding community.

:D

David-

Is there a chance you have any more info on exactly where (in the midwest) the event will be? Or possibly a host hotel? I would consider applying if I knew I had enough time to plan the trip out around work and scheduled jobs.
I'm curious to see exactly who this event will bring out.
-Keith

We still in the planning stages for this deal, and haven't even definitively locked in even a specific venue or date yet. That's another reason for our frustration from all these so-called "insiders." We're still developing it amongst ourselves and have only discussed a few ideas with others, but it appears that some of these ideas have gotten the typical message board spin and have been put out there as cold, hard fact. And that just ain't the case guys.

Like Freiburger said, if you've got a car that you think is a player, email it to hotrod@primedia.com, and make sure to put Open Track Smackdown (or OTC) in the subject line, and we'll look at all of them.

Rob Kinnan
HOT ROD

Like Freiburger said, if you've got a car that you think is a player, email it to hotrod@primedia.com, and make sure to put Open Track Smackdown (or OTC) in the subject line, and we'll look at all of them.

Rob Kinnan
HOT ROD

You've got mail. :)

So what ever happenend in this open track "Smack Down"

So what ever happenend in this open track "Smack Down" Still in the planning stages would be my guess. The keep mentioning it in the magazine.