Has anyone used that stuff called ALL IN ONE, it is supposed to be a etch and primer surfacer that requires no acid wash. My local dupont dealer told me I should use it but I am a little leary of new stuff.
TROY

Chances are that most of these guys have never heard of it. I think its a fairly new product.

Check out the site below. Lots of guys there really know there stuff and are always eager to help. MARTINSR spends some time there.


http://www.autobody101.com./

I have never heard of it, but that doesn't mean a whole lot there are lot's of new products out there or even "regional" products.


There have been a number or "DTM" (Direct To Metal) primers over the years that claim to do just as you are describing. If this is an off brand product, I would say give it a little time on the market before YOU trust it. If it is a DuPont product, chances are it is a decent primer that could be just the ticket.


Now, if you have some flash rust or something like that, without some sort of acid or etching product to clean it, you are just "covering up" that rust. I am not sure, but I don't believe there are any products that are a real "primer/surfacer" that have acid to etch. The word "etch" gets tossed around alot with no real truth.

MARTINSR,
They tell me you wipe the bare metal down with a wet rag..dry it and spray..Talked to a local shop he says It has the chemical makeup of a etch and builds up like featherfill..sounds to good to be true :eek: I will do more research and let everybody know what I find out.
TROY

PPG's DTM primers STILL have a recommendation for etch or epoxy prior to application on bare metal to achieve max performance. graemlins/sad.gif They have it because they just dont have the corrosion resistance by themselves, but when you combine an etch or epoxy then you are alright.

For that reason Ive never been a "Believer" in DTM primers

I would like to know the part number of this product. I work at a Ford dealership that sprays dupont products and might be able to find out more about it.

Originally posted by Her Malibu:
MARTINSR,
They tell me you wipe the bare metal down with a wet rag..dry it and spray..Talked to a local shop he says It has the chemical makeup of a etch and builds up like featherfill..sounds to good to be true :eek: I will do more research and let everybody know what I find out.
TROY I don't know about the "wet" rag, wet with what? But I have heard of a "self etching" polyester primer (Feather fill is a polyester) that seems to work pretty well.

I forgot who used it, hmmmmm, someone on this forum or Team Camaro.....darn I can't remember. Maybe he will chime it, but as I remember he liked it.

The thing is, you may not ever know the differnce in how good it actually protects against corrosion. Without serious testing with a standard, how could one know?

But let me ask you this, do you REALLY need filling? I mean skim coat with "bondo" kinda filling? Because that is what polyester primer is going to do for you. Unless you need some REAL serious filling because of rust pits, waves, poor bodywork, etc. you don't need polyester primer. It leaves a rough, hard to sand surface. If you don't REALLY need it, stick to urethane.

MARTINSR Wet with water :eek: I know this sounds crazy, I will go by the paint store monday and get the manufacter's name...I am pretty old school heck the last car I painted was Laquer things have chenged allot in 18 years
;) .. The Malibu is stripped to the metal I am used to hand blocking to get rid of all the waves graemlins/waving.gif They say this stuff blocks like the OLD laquer primer surfacer. I will probably use it on a 68ss hood that I am going to sell to see how it works
TROY

Troy, did you find 1/4s for the car or patching the old?

Dave,
Going to have to use the 80% Quarter on the pass side to make what I need...Where ya been hadn't seen ya around in a while..Tell every body we said Hi graemlins/waving.gif
Troy

Troy,
You need to get on the ball and get that Malibu out of the shop so I can bring the ole wagon up to go under the scapel. :D

Originally posted by New68SS:
Chances are that most of these guys have never heard of it. I think its a fairly new product.

Check out the site below. Lots of guys there really know there stuff and are always eager to help. MARTINSR spends some time there.


http://www.autobody101.com./ I went to that website and there was a political post in the paint and primer forum :eek: Seriously I wouldnt joke about somthing like that :D
TROY

Originally posted by Her Malibu:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by New68SS:
Chances are that most of these guys have never heard of it. I think its a fairly new product.

Check out the site below. Lots of guys there really know there stuff and are always eager to help. MARTINSR spends some time there.


http://www.autobody101.com./ I went to that website and there was a political post in the paint and primer forum :eek: Seriously I wouldnt joke about somthing like that :D
TROY </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry, that was me. :D

Did some homework redface.gif The stuff is called ALL YOU NEED and is made by THE CLAUSIN CO. It is a zinc enriched self etching primer surfacer. Comes in quarts or gallons and you use a hardener that comes in a tube like fiberglass hardener..The one guy I talked to that used it said he liked the way it filled and blocked..

Martinsr...just curius? you say you would rather use a thin coat of filler rather than high build primers...Why?? I know that the old laquer primers had solvent bleeding problems but these new primers are better???? right??

TROY

Troy, I nevr said that. I asked why he needed the primer. If it was for VERY high filling, than polyseter primer was a good choice. If it DOESN'T need a lot of filling, polyester primer is a waste of time.

It all depends on what is being called "high build". Todays urethane primers are much better than lacquer primer, but using them to fill something that should be repaired before priming is abusing th product. Polyester primer is actually pretty old technology. But still MUCH better than lacquer. I am just saying that polyester primer is a very specialized primer.


Now is it sounds like "All you need" is not a "zinc inriched etch primer". It sounds like it is a "zinc inriched polyester primer" that just happens to "etch". An "etch" primer by definition would not fill like polyester, it would be designed to apply something over it, IT being used for "etch" to the metal. They may call it a "zinc inriched etch primer" but that is very misleading.

Brian.
I agree on abusing primer-surfacers..If the body work is poor all the primer in the world won't save ya ;) As I said I am very old school Still have all my old lead Paddles and files :D I Used featherfill alot on corvettes and large panels like a GM roof"wavy"to get them what I call flat or straight..Long board and allott of time, but worth it..I understand the differance in etch and surfacer..I used to acid wash,zinc chromate and prime but i hate acid washing to messy.. I guess I saw this stuff and figured it sure sounded like a good safe option

TROY