For many our car is a hard pill to swallow but there's a lot more into it than meets the eye. We worked very closely with a well respected suspension engineer (Marcus Savitske of SC&C) for the front and rear of our car and everything down to the last bolt was planned to be the way you see it to balance good looks with astounding performance in all areas. There's been a lot of talk on other websites but rest assured this car will be put to the test shortly. It is NOT a showcar!! We managed to have the car assembled by SEMA but due to last minute delivery of vital components, we were unable to get the car running for the show. We are back thrashing on the car to get it going and for those that don't know me, my name is Keith Criswell. This is our "Genesis Chevelle". All the info on the car can be found on our website www.zefhix.com. I hope you guys like it.


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Wow, that is very slick! I love that you everything is shaved. Was your car in hot rod or chevy magazine? it looks familiar

Brian

Very, Very nice. More shots of the engine are in order. Rememeber, a muscle car is NOT a muscle car without muscle. :thumbsup:

That is one nice ride. What are the front seats out of? They look good.
Frank

Wow...thanks! The seats are power from a 97 Trans Am that we had covered in leather and microfiber. We also elected to eliminate the headrest because it gave the seat a nice lowback look even though the support comes up high. The motor is a twin TBI setup from Injection Logic, full-roller (custom grind) 468ci backed by a TCI built 4L80e w/a lockup 2400 stall and TCOM computer to run it.
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Keith, I love the "no frills" functionality of your car! :)

It looks badass! Is it driveable yet? ...more importantly, did some certain people make things right with you?

Keith, I love the "no frills" functionality of your car! :)

It looks badass! Is it driveable yet? ...more importantly, did some certain people make things right with you?

Not driveable yet but very close......very close. No, no one made right with me which is fine. Word travels fast in a small town and if you step on enough toes going up the ladder of success, you may find yourself all alone when you get to the top, y'know? I just thonk that despite my descriptions some people just can't get past the fact it is not a showcar. I'm 25 and my partner, she's 24. We built this car entirely in our garage (except the paint/body and 2 days at the interior shop for fitment) and we did it for just under 36K. We went quite a bit over budget but there was some things I would not compromise on and niether would my partner. We didn't deviate too far from the original design which took us almost 6 months to finalize before getting the renderings done. I hope to have some really scary videos up soon for everyone on the chevelle!
-Keith

what are the mirrors from
Curt

what are the mirrors from
Curt

Before i give it away I'm going to make you suffer with how we discovered them. I made a template of the door lines right where the stock mirrior goes and we went to several dealerships "in search" for the right mirrors. We discovered these to be a perfect fit and only needed to drill holes in the door and fill the stock ones in. They are power and heated and will run you about $650 dollars for the mirror, housing and switch. They are off an '05 Chrysler Crossfire and I suspect that they'll be a popular choice for a lot of hot rods. As far as I know, we're the first to retrofit them and the dealership by us was way cool. I have the wiring diagrams, too, if anyone needs them.

that's awsome, good to finally see that car done!

Oh, and looks like you're missing a radiator hose ;)

The car looks http://www.96lt4.com/smileys/drivedevil00.gif

Who did the dash? Also what are you running in the rear suspension? I like he C6 spindles in the front.

Before i give it away I'm going to make you suffer with how we discovered them. I made a template of the door lines right where the stock mirrior goes and we went to several dealerships "in search" for the right mirrors. We discovered these to be a perfect fit and only needed to drill holes in the door and fill the stock ones in. They are power and heated and will run you about $650 dollars for the mirror, housing and switch. They are off an '05 Chrysler Crossfire and I suspect that they'll be a popular choice for a lot of hot rods. As far as I know, we're the first to retrofit them and the dealership by us was way cool. I have the wiring diagrams, too, if anyone needs them. Is that $650 a pair or each?? Your ride turned out sweet.

I was lucky enough to see this car come together here and there and I can say that Keith put a lot of hard work and long hours into this car by himself most of the time in a small cramped garage on jack stands. This car is a great representation of a true home built hot rod on a reasonable budget. Not only is this car unique, it also has the owners blood on it. And trust me this car will get beat on. Good thing it has updated brakes in case I'm lucky enough to get behind the wheel (little inside story on a ride I gave Keith in my car with factory brakes....one word "scary"). I also like those high tech translucent parts like the radiator hose that you have, who makes those? (sorry couldn't resist)

Now get that thing running so we can thrash on it!

That is a very nice chevelle. Looks really good.
I can't wait for some video.

I like the dash. Do you have any more pics of it up close? Is it custom or what?

First off...Shane, I love you too ;) Thanks for the kind words...I can never match all the nice things you said when you were...ahh...umm...drunk...the other night but I appreciate your sincerety all the same. The dash is a stock SS dash with the Covans insert and completely wrapped in leather (including the insert). It really warmed things up in the dash area and focuses your atention on the guages and paddle shifters which is why we did it. Also, because of all the sound deadening treatment we used from second skin audio and the leather, the car is freakishly quiet inside. We haven't started it yet but the second you shut the door inside the car you can't hear s@!t outside..like the garbage truck (no joke)!! Oh and the mirrors were $650 for everything. I don't normally condone that kindof money on a $50 part but the outside mirrors were so important on the car.
In the rear, we're running edelbrock adj uppers with the sperical ends and BMR tubular lowers that we still have to locate 1" lower on the rear end housing with relocation brackets to correct geometry (wheelhop mostly). We are also using an SC&C modified speedway engineering adjustable splined swaybar in the rear mounted forward like the new f-bodies using heim joints on both sides of the endlinks. Please keep any questions coming...I tell you anything you want to know except where i got the transparent radiator and a/c hoses ;) That's my little secret. :D

O.K. heres something I want to know. What is the point of that car? Why is it at SEMA?

I'll just take a guess here... although I probably should just let Keith answer the questions.

The point of the car is to be a badass pro-touring car built on a real-world budget. I *think* the blacked out chrome was part of Keith's vision of an anti-bling type build, or maybe he just wanted a stealth-look.

Why it's at SEMA? Someone with a booth wanted it there to show off their products that were used on Keith's car. I wasn't there, so I don't even know what booth it was in, or what products were being shown.

Derek pretty much hit it. I've had this type of car in my head for awhile before we bought the chevelle. I wanted the car dark, sinister and anti-bling on the outside as much as possible. I wanted the details to reel you in not the rims. The idea was to have a purpose built car that was suprising, basically. I wanted it to look and perform hardcore but at the same time compete evenly in every other aspect as well. This is why the mirrors, windows, door locks and seats are power. This is also why we have A/C, fuel injection and overdrive. Most importantly, though. I love my music. Can't live without it and as Dick Clark said, it's the soundtrack of our lives. So for SEMA we represented some very good friends of ours out here with their killer stereo setup, which is a little surprise about our car. This was all done by RE Audio (www.reaudio.com) Here's what's left of the trunk-

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Nice! I am planning on doing something with my trunk, but not quite to that extenct. What did you use to make it? How did you connect it so that it doesnt move? Anything else you can add would be great.

I love it!! Being the same age and working on a budget also, it's awesome and inspiring me to get back in the garage.
Is that a hydaboost brake booster? If so who makes them that mount to the fire wall that nice, what master cylinder are you using??
Mike

'66 SS chevelle
'95 2door Tahoe 502

I know some people aren't going to like it....but it's actually a sealed box and the plexiglass is just a partition to the rear area of the trunk where the box actually is. We made it so it would appear to be a bandpass but is, in fact, not. The setup is 3/4" MDF, plexiglass, fibergalss and bondo wrapped in leather with microfiber inserts. The side panels are removable but a PITA. The fit is very tight and everything is sound treated and empty space is filled with shredded foam to help control the sound. The bass is aimed into the cab of the car through the rear seat firewall and the component sets in the trunk are tripped on by a dipswitch on the trunk lid hinge so that they only operate when the trunk is open. Also the lid is on two 6" stroke linear actuators from Spal so the trunk opens and shuts from our remote. It's one of my favorite things to play with on the car right now!
The brake system does use hydroboost due to the grind of our roller cam. The unit is from Paul at Hyratech (one of the nicest pople to deal with BTW) and everything you see (minus the M/C) is supplied by him. The M/C is a used Baer 15/16" unit we bought off a friend. We're using corvette C5 rotors and calipers up front and LS1 Camaro/Firebird rotors and calipers in the rear plumbed with all new line from Classic Tube.

Very cool. I was trying to figure if you had it there because you were trying to get into the buisness and using the car to promote Yourself. Or if you were showcasing someones product.

Did you build the car for show,or is it going to be a driver??

Looks great Keith! I wish I could have been there to see it in person! Doh. I`ll be there for SEMA next year for sure,do I at least get a ride? ;) Marcus SC&C

Thanks for the info. Its also good to see somone trying a new look too. I'm not a fan of the blingish wheel some are running. The 70 is sinister.

Man Keith. That looks awesome. I looked for the car at SEMA, but couldn't find it. Good work!

Holy $#!t, that is like, totally awesome. One question for ya Keith...is that painted with a factory Chevelle colour? Rootbeer I'm thinking?

Sinister is certainly the word for you car...very,very nicely done and chalk one up for the "dare to be different" crowd.

Please post a rear and 3/4 rear shot,I think that and your 1st front shot are the best angles.

Great job!

John

That car is awesome. Great job on getting it ready for sema. I can tell even though it wasn't finished you still had to work your tail off to get it there. I will forever be envious that you get to drive that thing.

One more question, do factory C5 wheels require any spacers on the front? The reason I'm asking is I have a pair of C5 spindles with brakes left over from my big brake kit conversion on the C5 and Fikse FM5s in C5 Z06 sizes (17x9.5/18x10.5) sitting next to my 70 calling my name.

Thanks for all the info in this topic.

One more question, do factory C5 wheels require any spacers on the front? The reason I'm asking is I have a pair of C5 spindles with brakes left over from my big brake kit conversion on the C5 and Fikse FM5s in C5 Z06 sizes (17x9.5/18x10.5) sitting next to my 70 calling my name.

Thanks for all the info in this topic.


Yes, adapters are a must. Drastically different backspacing requirements between a C5 and an A-body.

Troy

Yes, adapters are a must. Drastically different backspacing requirements between a C5 and an A-body.

Troy
I thought there would be even after the SC&C C5/C6 front suspension thanks.

That car has C5 brakes,not suspension components. Correct,Keith?

You did a great job on the car and have a lot to be proud of.

That car has C5 brakes,not suspension components. Correct,Keith?

You did a great job on the car and have a lot to be proud of.

Webpage says the knuckles are off a C6 with custom machined arms.

Webpage says the knuckles are off a C6 with custom machined arms.

Now,that is interesting.

He's running a setup from Marcus @ SC&C that uses modified C5 spindles with a custom steering arm (pictures are on his webpage.) However the car still uses stock Chevelle control arms. That's why the adapters are still required, because the overall track width of the front suspension remains close to stock even with the C5 spindles; you still need to push those deep-backspace 'Vette wheels further outboard to have them fit properly in an A-body.

The best way to do it would be to fab longer a-arms and run the Vette wheels as is (that would give you quite a few good suspension improvements in lateral scrub and scrub radius) but fabbing custom longer A-arms is a LOT more involved than just running some wheel adapters.

Troy

The best way to do it would be to fab longer a-arms and run the Vette wheels as is (that would give you quite a few good suspension improvements in lateral scrub and scrub radius) but fabbing custom longer A-arms is a LOT more involved than just running some wheel adapters.I was just going to ask if anyone has done this... not that I know much about it, but a longer FVSA and the effects on the scrub-radius would be a pretty big improvement, right?

I was just going to ask if anyone has done this... not that I know much about it, but a longer FVSA and the effects on the scrub-radius would be a pretty big improvement, right?
Derek, I have all the analysis numbers for this (link on my suspension page) already worked out. Katz and I started working on it last year. Too may projects going at once, maybe I'll finish one someday.

The chevelle uses 2" adapters in the front and rear to maintain even track width. Longer A-arms were a consideration on the car but in the end it would contradict the goal of building a car that could be easily duplicated. We had a few pieces fabbed by Marcus @ SC&C but they were all pieces that were parts on kits that he will sell or has sold. The lowers are stock boxed with a taller BJ and the uppers are pole position race pieces that are tubular and fully adjustable with an inverted BJ for the C6 knuckle. We tried to be reasonable in the $$$ dept on this one as well and I still think this setup is the best bang for your buck. Plus Marcus was so great to deal with it made the decision very easy.The car is almost running. We've got about 2-3 more weeks of work (nights and weekends only; you guys know how it is) and we should be taking some turns on three wheels shorty. I'm dying to get this car out and running. Also, if some of you have been emailing me, apparently my email server has been down for a few days so feel free to try me again. I wasn't ignoring anyone!! keith at zefhix dot com

Thanks for all the feedback guys...your opinion is important. I want to eventually design/build cars as a living and so far I'm fairly encouraged. :)

You definately would be good at doing it for a living...ive been trying to figure out the color but i have no idea...it looksgreat with that color and all black instead of chrome..and looking at your trunk made me go home and start designing a plexi lass box for my trunk haha...motivation

Ya know, you havnt fessed up to what the color of the car is. I look and look, and could almost swear its Mineral Grey.

Ya know, you havnt fessed up to what the color of the car is. I look and look, and could almost swear its Mineral Grey.

Oh man, you are so close you deserve a cookie but the color we used is the predicessor to Mineral Grey. It's Ford code CX Dark Shadow Grey Metallic and Ford stopped using it in 2004 on their vehicles. It has now been replaced with Mineral Grey. We chose the former because it looks like all greys and charcoals (actually, 5 colors make up the color on the mixer like red and yellow...it's weird) and the new Mineral Grey has gold in it like pewter which we didn't want. Thanks for the compliments..... I appreciate it. :)

Oh man, you are so close you deserve a cookie but the color we used is the predicessor to Mineral Grey. It's Ford code CX Dark Shadow Grey Metallic and Ford stopped using it in 2004 on their vehicles. It has now been replaced with Mineral Grey. We chose the former because it looks like all greys and charcoals (actually, 5 colors make up the color on the mixer like red and yellow...it's weird) and the new Mineral Grey has gold in it like pewter which we didn't want. Thanks for the compliments..... I appreciate it. :):) :) :)
Its a good color on that car.

Great job on that ride and you did wonders for the dollars you spent. I can apprecaite the work necessary to do what you have done.

Zefix, just wanted to chime in with all the other and say that by far, that is one of the most impressive and inspirational cars i have seen in a while! I am very very impressed with the quality that the build seems to have, although Im sure that the pics dont do it justice.

Regarding the black crome, how dark of a blacking treatment can a shop get the chrome peices? Im very much a fan of black chrome, but a straight powder coating is a bit too much flair for me. I like the mirror finishes, but DARK. Im just triyng to get an idea of what can be done out there. I dont know how long its going to take me to make money after I graduate tech school, but I know I can do it, and a Pro Touring Chevelle from Hell is definatly top 5 on my priority list.

Beautiful ride man, beautiful ride. (And kudos to the Mrs too. Your one lucky guy!)

Again, thank you...very much (from both of us). You'd be surprised to find that almost everything black on the car that could be is powdercoated. A good powdercoater can change the percent of gloss in any piece. For example, my bumpers are actually glossier than the paint job but because the powdercoat is slightly porus, it's hard to tell unless you're looking for it. So my powdercoater is going to bring the shine down to about 75% to match the paint which just alters his mix slightly and is no big deal. I'm totally addicted to powdercoating and many textured pieces on our vehicle are actually powdercoated like the valve covers and intake which look composite. :) We used 360 Air Intakez also now known as Vegas Powdercoating for the locals. I don't know much about black chrome except when I started making phone calls over a year ago to have it done (before the powdercoating), I was getting some outrageous quotes not to mention I had to ship any pieces out of state.

that wasn't powder coat on the bumpers at sema thats for sure, no way, looked like kragen spray can.
did you get them coated since then?? any pics, hows it drive on the street?? probaly goes super now with a upper radiator hose on it, lol hope its done and your enjoying it
oh ya hows that shrifter work, it looks awesome, and from what i hear works even better then it looks, man i want to do one on my project, i did not see you list it as parts on the car and i saw it at sema.

Actually, the bumpers were powdercoated. They were immediately wrapped in plastic probably before drying and it made a few spots on the bumpers look thin and porus which wasn't discovered until it was too late. don't worry, they're not staying that way. The car does not drive yet. After a year and a half of slow, money draining work and four weeks of absoute hell thrashing the car in time for SEMA, we put the car away for a few weeks. We just got back into it really two weeks ago and should be mostly done by the 1st. When the decision was made that the chevelle would not run for SEMA, we started unhooking hoses and lines in the engine compartment to remove the clutter so other pieces would look cleaner which is why there were no radiator hoses on the vehicle....we always had them. I know that that upper radiator hose sure meant alot to one person in particluar but I'm certain their intentions were never in my best interest as they led on to believe. As far as the "paddle shifters", we made special note of them on the sponsorship board as well as their company logo placed on the reverse of the business cards that were with the vehicle at the show, perhaps you didn't look the car over too closely? We were told after advertising it for months and then, of couse, all four days of SEMA that the vehicle wasn't worthy of the product and that it should be returned. Unfortunately, that relationship was severed and we don't associate them with the vehicle any more. I guess for every one hundred people that like the car, one always wont. Thanks for all the feedback, though. All of it is appreciated :)


that wasn't powder coat on the bumpers at sema thats for sure, no way, looked like kragen spray can.
did you get them coated since then?? any pics, hows it drive on the street?? probaly goes super now with a upper radiator hose on it, lol hope its done and your enjoying it
oh ya hows that shrifter work, it looks awesome, and from what i hear works even better then it looks, man i want to do one on my project, i did not see you list it as parts on the car and i saw it at sema.

i saw the car alright, all i can say is i would be ****ed at the painter, i paint for a living and would of not let that car go to sema with my name on it.
i hope you got a killer deal on that, and the bumpers man oh man, powder coating is baked and i cannot imagine a pro shop packaging it when its still hot or warm,that sucks.
it sucks you could not get it done for sema, there was still 3 weeks worth of work, brake lines, windshield wiper, hoses, interior finish up, exhaust, sucks to work so hard and come up short, well at least you will drive it next year.
the vinyl floor was different too.

okay, I have been biting my tongue for awhile. I have seen Keiths post for awhile and he seems like a cool dude(not much younger than me) I saw the car and have a few things to say about it. I hope he doesnt' take too much offense as this is about the car not him. I know if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything, but this is the internet and when posting you leave yourself open to others opinions;
The paint was crap, it had huge fisheye and dirt in it, I wondered if it was painted next to the WD40 factory? Maybe it just needed to be wetsanded? but at Sema it looked awful.
Bumpers looked pretty bad too, they looked like they had a coat of rustoleum "wrinkle finish" spray paint on them
wasn't sure whether the engine bay was painted with duplicolor or krylon as it looked spray bombed big time. Engine was missing almost everything and didn't look very detailed, entire brake system was almost non-existent, along with spray painted rotors. Interior was decent but very street rodish, it had a vinyl floor instead of carpet? I guess thats just style? On the rear trunk as you could see in the pictures the undercover for the trunk lid was falling off, you couldu see glue or something trying to hold it on? and the jambs and gutters looked all dull. The car just kinda looked like it was half-a$$ slapped together pile. However I have no idea how it would be to build an entire car on such a budget with suchc time restraints. So I give you kudos for that. Plus it sounds like this was your first build. I hate to rape your car and pick it apart, but it was at the SEMA show and would be classified as a show car. I'm sure it will be a much better job once finished and hope to see an even better product by you guys at sema next year. Sorry to be so blatant about the car.

What size are the rear tires, 305/45R18s? Wheel size and offset? Thanks

The paint was crap, it had huge fisheye and dirt in it... Maybe it just needed to be wetsanded?
My car looked like crap when first painted too, they almost always do.... dirt, orange-peel, etc. I spent over 40 hours sanding and buffing mine, but I had all the time in the world to get it done.

If there's enough clear on it, any paintjob can be polished to a show-finish, as long as the prep-work looks good (and from the pics, Keith's car looks VERY straight) fish-eyes won't go away completely though. You can sand down the edge, but there will still be a little pore there.

From what I hear, there weren't too many cars that left SEMA under their own power, so I'm sure Keith's wasn't the only one that wasn't finished.

I really dont take offense at all. I know the car wasn't perfect there at SEMA but thought the presentation of a different idea might be where people would be forgiving of the lack in show quality. There is not a drip of vinyl on the car anywhere. Its all leather and the flooring in the cab is removable; their is regular carpet underneath for when we toodle around in it. We were very upset, indeed, with the painter but the interesting thing is that the camo dots that you are all referring to only looks that way under flourescent. In daylight the paint looks fine. We didn't see it until SEMA. The engine compartment was done with a 3M fine rubberized undercoating, then painted satin black, then sealed with a semi-gloss. It came out just the way i wanted it too save the small nick we got from the valve cover smashing into it, so that is probably going to boil down to personal preference but I accept not everyone is going to like it. I could continue with all the excuses with how the brake lines didn't show up until the friday before SEMA, etc. but there is no need to. We are fixing all those little things currently and when the car is finished and the issues woked out it will be exactly what we wanted. I am 25 and built the entire car in our two car-garage and the only time it left was for the interior measurements at the uphoulstry shop and the paint shop. It spent the last four days before SEMA at the stereo shop where we stayed up all night every night getting all the pieces made and finished and even then, somethings like the glue for the rear trunk cover came loose on the second day of SEMA probably from someone grabbing at it since there really is no stress on that piece at that point. We learned alot about trying to get a car done on a timeline and I learned even more about people from this whole experience. Hopefully the little details will only be a bad memory to you when the car is running in a few weeks and we have some good photos and videos for everyone. :)

The rear tires are 295/40/18's...we're using a 2" spacer making I believe exactly 4" of backspacing.

The rear tires are 295/40/18's...we're using a 2" spacer making I believe exactly 4" of backspacing.

I had checked out your website and you said you were stuffing 305/45R18s on her. Do you have any pics of your car with this tire size? I am leaning towards this size tire for my '70 but, I would like to see them om a '70 before I commit.

I have read all these posts about your car and you will never please everyone. How would it be if everyone built a '70 and they were styled all the same? I would think it would be pretty boring. Not everyone will like my '70 but, it is mine and it is the way I want it. Follow your style and keep it going, it is what makes it unique and yours. Oops, maybe this is your wifes '70?!!

I was keeping up with your project from the beginning of the web site posting. Listen- YOU and YOUR Partner* (she made it happen, right?) GUys did an EXCELLENT (ok, unfreakingbelieveable) job for the money/time constraints ya had. I wish mine when it is finished will be of an excellent quality as well and ive had mine for over (is it 5 yrs?).
ANd ive learned things as well.
THanks and good luck on it!!

would everyone stop with these god damn time restraints, keith wa building this foraround 2 years and i believe i saw onpro touring that he has sponsors so he got free parts from i think re audio, anyway when you do this you now have people to make happy as you got free parts, most people that get sponsors are either pro builders, which keith is not, and don't think he will be, or 2 people with money as the sponsors know the car will get done period, why would they want to sponsor a uncomplete car?? that would make there product loook great, keith should of been realistic about time etc, cause its not only himself who he has to please, its companys who gave him free parts, so even though he busted ass when the day is done IT DOES NOT MATTER, PERIOD, does your morgage company care weather you not you busted your ass all month for 10 bucks an hr and do not have enough to pay the morgage???NO , so why should someone like re audio or whoever gave him other parts care weather he worked hard the last week?? they i am sure talked it over and had understandings with him and what was exspected, so whats so wrong with that???????? keith how much in free parts did you get onthe car???? you should of takedn october off like bill howell did to get the car done and honor the sponsors like re audio, instead you just want to blame parts etc, which is an excuse, but brake line benders are at every parts store with bulk brake line tube it would have been easy, the radio should of never waited till last min to be fit, you should of made templates for them so someone could make the stuff before, you may hae worked hard and had time restraints BUT you knew that when you were taking free parts, that most of us do not get for our project, i know i would feel ike an ******* if i had thousands of dollars of free parts and showed up no where near done, there are no excuses and this is why only pro builders (guys who do 95% in house and rely little on the outside) get sponsors, and not amatuers, like you who continualy fail at deadlines. its there lively hood
oh ya how long did you know before sema your car was gonna be there??? 1 year?? 10 months, no excuses, you got free parts by agreeing to provide a finished car, .
btw derek yeah alot of cars wer enot running at sema, but most had the radiator hoses and most that were non runners were cars that looked like a project, i have no idea why your his but buddy, but he got free parts, do you get free parts??? dealines come with free parts

btw derek yeah alot of cars wer enot running at sema, but most had the radiator hoses and most that were non runners were cars that looked like a project, i have no idea why your his but buddy, but he got free parts, do you get free parts??? dealines come with free partsI have no idea what your beef with Keith is either??? Maybe you've watched "Overhaulin" a few too many times, and think it's easy to build a show-car in a week :confused:

As for why I'm nice to Keith, well... when he got f*&%ed over by "RPM Frank" he was kind enough to save my ass from getting f*&%ed too. I was about 2 days from sending damn-near my whole project's budget to that ass-clown, and would have never seen my parts.

I haven't tried getting any sponsorships since the first one tried to screw me, so no, I don't get free parts... I'd take them if offered though, but I don't hit many high-profile shows, and I doubt a magazine feature is in my future, so I don't bother to ask for them.

no beef with keith at all, and he was a good guy for stopping you from that, BUT you say you will take free parts, THEY ARE NOT FREE PARTS, they come with a cost, and last i checked keith had way more then a week to complete the car, he had at least one full month to put motor in, and assemble, thats alot of work but not if it was a pro shop, it would of been done, its just what is exspected when you get free parts, they turn out that they aren't so free, they come with agreements,like you said it needs to be at a show or already lined up for a magazine exposure to constitute sponsors, however, you cannot just show up with a undone car and say you made it, because you did not.
btw, i hghly doubt people offered keith parts, more then likely he sent a press release with a rendering to the sponsors, and or he knew one of the sponsors so he got his foot in on one then was gonna be at sema so others followed

Damn, what a thread. Keith, we met at SEMA if you remember. I appreciate you taking the high road here, says a lot about you.

Jody

LOL, jody, your funny

LOL, jody, your funny

:waving:

Jody

Hi :) I'm Jacquie. This Chevelle is also mine :) The first thing I'd like to say is...IT'S LEATHER, DAMN IT! I love that interior. Although, there may be a bit of bias. It was my design.

On to the fun...


To be honest, it sounded to me like you do have personal beef. If it's the car you disliked, fine, but you went so far as to insult him by letting us all know how he'll never be a pro-builder. Who cares, dude. Lighten up.

I love how you pretend to know all about the build of this car. Last I checked, the receipts and discount percentages were not public knowledge. If you must know, a majority of the sponsors listed gave us only a very small discount. A discount that I know for a fact is offered to other good customers. They came with no obligations. Out of respect they were listed on our website and sponsor boards. We only used companies we respected and who we felt would respect us.

You continue to mention how much time there was to build the car, but what you fail to mention is the amount of money needed within that time to purchase all needed parts. We are all aware of just how expensive it can be. Sorry to tell you, but the mortgage and utilities come before March pulleys. Sure, it may take one day to install, but how about the time it takes to gather the funds, order it, wait for it to come in stock, wait for it to arrive from shipping? It all begins to add up. Maybe time management wasn't great, but oh well. That's how the cards fell.

As far as free parts, there weren't many. Yes, RE Audio provided us with free product, but if you must know, they're very good friends of ours and I don't see that changing anytime soon. They were super pleased and as far as I'm concerned, they took the biggest chance on us and if they're happy, I'm happy.

No one is perfect. I could spend the entire day telling you about how many people screwed us and shredding several companies and destroying every ounce of faith you may have had in them, but it isn't necessary. All I can say is that we have done our best to appease all companies involved and continue to do so and it isn't because we feel an obligation, really. It's because we respect them and truly appreciate what they have done for us. This is a hobby. This isn't my job nor will it ever be. Thank god.

I'd love to know why you keep comparing this build to one of a pro shop. Apples and oranges, dude. Yes, the motor being done in a month is cake for a pro shop, but the last time I checked we were nothing of the sort.

I made no official agreements of any kind with our 'sponsors' other than that this car would be at SEMA and I would do my best to provide some press for it. It went to SEMA and every attempt will be made to show that car off once money and time allows for all the kinks to be worked out. That's as much as I can do. Promises are made to be broken so I simply refrain from ever making them.

At the end of the day this is a hobby. We took on very few sponsors and made them very aware of what this build was for that specific reason. We wanted no hurt feelings when this car didn't win the shine award.

All the negativity in the world could never change my opinion. This car rules and I'm proud that's what I see when I open the garage.

thanks.
but i followed the build over at pro touring,, so your saying there were no obligations to the sponsors???
thats weird, so re audio would of gave you the stuff if you were not going to sema??
last i heard over at pro touring was keith had plans to build cars once his was a hit?? most of the time guys who do this, do not farm 1/2 the work out,, its really funny, how did you become a partner in the build?? thats what youu are right??
thats great re audiop gave you a spot in audio, then you used that to get numorous other parts, thinking there were no obligations, nice, i wish i lived in your world
kinda funny keith sends a girl to answer questions directed at him.

You know, I'm not sure why we've felt the need to justify everything about this car to you even this far, Jake. We don't and this is done. You hear and read what you wish and it's apparent that you don't read very carefully before you reply. Not only that, you are not very well informed on this project all all. I hardly feel a few update reports on pro touring qualifies you as an expert on the inner workings of our build. Based on other posts you've made at Pro Touring you have a lot of spare time and love to instigate in all of your posts. Good luck to you in whatever it is that you are doing. I will not support this with you any more. If you have genuine questions that you would like answered feel free to email me keith at zefhix dot com and I'll be more than happy to answer them for you. Unlike you, Jake, I have nothing personal against you other than that you try to impose ill-informed opinions on others.
I'm sorry to everyone else for the direction this thread went. It was not my intention.






thanks.
but i followed the build over at pro touring,, so your saying there were no obligations to the sponsors???
thats weird, so re audio would of gave you the stuff if you were not going to sema??
last i heard over at pro touring was keith had plans to build cars once his was a hit?? most of the time guys who do this, do not farm 1/2 the work out,, its really funny, how did you become a partner in the build?? thats what youu are right??
thats great re audiop gave you a spot in audio, then you used that to get numorous other parts, thinking there were no obligations, nice, i wish i lived in your world
kinda funny keith sends a girl to answer questions directed at him.

keith nothing against you, i am just asking questions and stating things thats it, i am wondering the answers.
ya i have all kinds of time on my hands thats why i have so many posts on the boards i go to, lol,i don't think so, i guess it would of been nice(since i have so much free time) if i did live closer, maybe i could of come and help get that car done, so you could be driving it now.
goodluck i was just looking for answers

I think it's a cool car. :)

keith nothing against you, i am just asking questions and stating things thats it, i am wondering the answers.
ya i have all kinds of time on my hands thats why i have so many posts on the boards i go to, lol,i don't think so, i guess it would of been nice(since i have so much free time) if i did live closer, maybe i could of come and help get that car done, so you could be driving it now.
goodluck i was just looking for answers
hahaha what a humper all of a sudden!! Get a life! LOL I think jake knows more about this project than hes saying? Probably why his point of view sounds harsh. Care to inform us jake?

hahaha what a humper all of a sudden!! Get a life! LOL I think jake knows more about this project than hes saying? Probably why his point of view sounds harsh. Care to inform us jake?


Cody,

Everythings settling down and you're stirring the pot again. Let it go dude, there's no award for getting banned from the most websites! :clonk:

Jody

68protouring454, you say this has been playing out on another site? fine, keep it there then.

All Chevelle's are beautiful creatures... possibly the sexiest cars ever produced IMHO. this one just happens to kick some SERIOUS a$$.

I think it's a cool car. :)

Same here :thumbsup:

Joe

68protouring454, you say this has been playing out on another site? fine, keep it there then.

Amen to that! It is one kick a$$ ride no matter what anyone says IMHO.
Frank

Cody,

Everythings settling down and you're stirring the pot again. Let it go dude, there's no award for getting banned from the most websites! :clonk:

Jody
well actually I was making fun of jake. In fact by you posting that you are stirring the pot. I see you just wanted to take a low blow at me for PT. Well I hope all you guys can rejoice at the fact I'm not there anymore. I know I am :)

Keith, what's left to finish before you can drive it? I'm anxious to hear your thoughts on the SC&C package :thumbsup:

I'm sure I asked you this before, but what is your rear suspension setup?

Cudos to you all that DID make the car. And yeh, the leather is cool! THis thread did take a little sidestep, but dont ya know that even artists get ART critics? Ever wonder why? its always easier to criticize than it is to do the hard work.. You guys have a vision, it looks like you are on target reach your vision.

You @ZEFHIX.. ROCK!
end of thought... you ever motor to HOuston, I wanna see and maybe drive me around the block... Beltway eight comes to mind, heck Ill even buy the tolls!!



(grr.. now if I finished mine.....))
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Keith, it was good to have met both you and Jacquie at SEMA - Cool car, man!

you guys are my real heros now, you guys got pull here, you go girl

Wow, our own visit from the lat-g guys! Man we should feel so special! It truly is a merry christmas...........

anyway sorry to hijack your post. Hope you get it running

Wow, our own visit from the lat-g guys! Man we should feel so special! It truly is a merry christmas...........

anyway sorry to hijack your post. Hope you get it running

A real hot fire under my @$$ says it's going to be very soon....we are currently finishing the ac install and then doing the final wiring for the ECM/ TCom and guages...all hardware is in place.

I see that your using a functional cowl induction hood, do you plan on making it functional or is it just for looks?

Brian

can't wait to see finished pics and video!!!, what are the motor specs?

68protouring454,

I would love to see some pics and video of your ride.

I looked you up on Lat-g but couldn't find any photos. My Father has a 68SS that he is considering doing a few mods to and we are lookin for other 68's for some ideas.

Thanks

keep searching, lol, i do not post to get leg humped, however soon i will have pics of progress when its at a point near completion. how did you know i was onlateral g?
jake

forget the pics, come see it at power tour this year
jake
It will be the halfway finished car being towed on the back of a trailer :) with no rear suspesnions LOL!

guys, cody just wants someone else to join his little club he has going, do not be fooled.

how did you know i was onlateral g?
jake

I've been posting there recently with the same username I use here.
You've actually responded to my post about the cheap "Hot Wheels" wheels.

Is your car a Camaro or a Chevelle?

its a camaro.
i come here because of the hardcore tech, killer site.

I wish I could see some of the pics of this car, the link in the first thread isn;t good anymore.

Sounds like a cool car built by a cool guy. I wouldn't worry so much about what 68protouring454 says. From a third party perspective he comes accross as an ass that is bitter about something.

thanks 72, i saw the car in person at sema, did you??? by sounds of it you did not, thanks for your hero opinon, i am glad you think all cars that look good in photos are the best, i guess you spend most of your time leg humping others

I wish I could see some of the pics of this car, the link in the first thread isn;t good anymore.

Sounds like a cool car built by a cool guy. I wouldn't worry so much about what 68protouring454 says. From a third party perspective he comes accross as an ass that is bitter about something.
No need to instigate anymore, Keith posted his car, and 68454 stated his opinion, as I did, it was not meant in a personal attack. I understand this is your opinion too, but the problem is you made a opinion that was personal. Try to leave things alone for the better.

thanks 72, i saw the car in person at sema, did you??? by sounds of it you did not, thanks for your hero opinon, i am glad you think all cars that look good in photos are the best, i guess you spend most of your time leg humping others
No, I didn't see the car. Hence my request to see some pictures of it. And I never said that photos tell the whole story ... but they would add some perspective and it sounds like an interesting car.

I'm leg humping no one and I have nothing to gain either way and really don't care. That said, I sincerely apologize, I'm sorry, I should not have made a personal attack on you.

Anyway, keep at it Keith you sound like a cool guy with a vision! Don't be discouraged.

Sorry about the pics and website. I went to make some minor changes and ended up with the server crashing losing my email and website going on day three here. I suck at the internet. I hope to have everything back to normal tommorow. Its only the second time in a year that we've had a server issue so standby. Thanks for the kind words.

Where did you get your Headlights from?

Were they hard to install? Did you have to adapt the factory Headlight plugs?

Those look like H4 headlamps. If that is true then I know you can get them from OPG I have some on my car in fact. Quite an Improvement over stock but still not HID's by any means.

Actually, the headlights are halogens with relays and replaceable bulbs. We bought the high beam/low beam combo lights so all four would be on at all times and when we hit the high beams it fires off another filament in all as well. We ended up buying them off ebay so I'll have to find the reciept for you. Ended up being about 100 for all four not including the relays. They are glass and your buckets have to be modified (square hole has to be opened up) to accept the new depth BUT the stock trim rings will slip over them still...barely. Also, they have daytime running lamps in the bottom that I changed the color of the bulbs on (come blue) and have the innners running in tadem with the turn signals and the outers are constant on. :)

After a mishap with the oil pump driveshaft showing up MIA when the distributor was being set...we have things back together and the car is being fired up next Saturday on my next day off.
Hang tight...

Damned this car looks awesome, cant wait to see some more pictures. Good job fellas.

How did you paint the bumpers?
Do have to have the chrome stirpped off the bumpers to paint them?
Awesome chevelle.

I just found this on eBay ....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Chevelle-1970-Chevelle-Pro-Touring-2005-SEMA-Show-Car-w-Trailer_W0QQitemZ110097027942QQihZ001QQcategoryZ61 64QQtcZphotoQQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

:sad: For our sponsorship and long hours of free labor making scratch built suspension parts for it we got...one post card of the car. At least it looks pretty good as the background on our site.... Mark SC&C

:sad: For our sponsorship and long hours of free labor making scratch built suspension parts for it we got...one post card of the car. At least it looks pretty good as the background on our site.... Mark SC&C

LOL... That's a real class act. :sad:

:sad: For our sponsorship and long hours of free labor making scratch built suspension parts for it we got...one post card of the car. At least it looks pretty good as the background on our site.... Mark SC&C

Once seeing this car up close, trust me you wouldn't want it representing you anywayz

Once seeing this car up close, trust me you wouldn't want it representing you anywayz

What do you mean? That purple suede(?) is pimp!

Check out the sellers other items for bid..

http://cgi.ebay.com/SM-Resin-Horse-Malik-En-Naseem-by-Bundy-Customized_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ1341QQihZ001 QQitemZ110095675176QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


:D

I"d buy it, strip out the enterior, paint the car, put the chrom bumpers back on and hop on the hot rod power tour. :cool:

Maybe if you meet the reserve on the car, he'll throw in the horsies!

This will be the last thing i ever say about the car here. You guys can poke the fun you like and I can absolutely understand Marcus' disgust with the car so that is something else to be addressed.
The majority financial holder for the build of the car was my ex's mom. She fronted a lot of money and in return, everything for the car was put in her name and stored at her home, never a shop of any kind. I lost control of what went on with the car completely 3 months ago. Many compromises had to be made on my original plan during the build process because I could not afford some things and the person that could said no. I had a shop completely repaint the car and many of the pieces were re-powdercoated and other issues were addressed as well in the past year. We never could fully tune the FI system and the decision was made 3 months ago to switch to carbs as the least expensive alternative to make it run and sell it. I did not put the car up on ebay, they did. I did not finish the car, they did. We're all out of time, money and patience on a build that has gone on for three years now. I'm not getting ANY money off the sale of this car and not only did i put a ton of my own money into this car but built it for free for the person that is selling it. I wanted to build a dream car and never had the means to do it my way or finish it. My hard lesson to learn and burden to assume. For those that think the car is crap, we have over 50K in reciepts in parts only for this car. Not the used stuff at good deals; not my (or any one else's) labor or discounted items marked up...50K in money that was spent on parts to put the car together. Those of you with long projects and no money can appreciate that I'm sure.
Cody, you do such an admirable job of chaulking up my three years worth of damn near suicide solo work in a two car garage into crap. As always, your opinion is a vaulable contribution to everyone.
Marcus, you'll never know how bad i feel to you more than anyone on this project. You were the first to come aboard three years ago and I always wanted to make you proud for it. It looks like that'll have to be on another car that uses your parts at full retail. My only consolation is that your sponsorship wasn't free and I could never say enough good things about the pieces you made for the car. As for everyone else. The car isnt a lost cause by any means. Someone with a little time and money needs to step up and finish it. I'm sorry for dissapointing everyone in the way this all turned out. I designed the car when I was 23 and started building it when I was 24. It was the first ever that I did a frame off on and learned some very valuable lessons. There will be more cars and no sponsors in the future for me. I've tried deperately to conduct myself as best I could in my situation and there's nothing else to do with this car but hope it goes to a good home.
BTW- the interior is blood red microfiber, not purple suede.
-Keith keith at zefhix dot com

BTW- the interior is blood red microfiber, not purple suede.

If it was red, then it probably looked good, but it looked more purple in the picture to me. :thumbsup:

Hey, where did my waambulance go? lol

Maybe the next car you should shoot for something more affordable and something you can actually drive and enjoy. I'd rather have a mostly original chevelle with a plain ole 350 and a little bit of rust, than a slapped together show car that doesn't run and that I couldn't afford. Good luck with the next project, hope it turns out for the better.

BTW seems you already learned a life lesson about women and cars lol. Some guys wait until their 40's to learn that mistake!

sounds like someone got in over their head with this project. It happens.