Hey guys, if any of you have pro touring type chevelles please show them off here. I just got my 70 and plan to do a pro touring type car. Big brakes, big wheels, big block, 6 speed, air ride, etc etc you get the point.

Check out Pro-Touring.com or Lateral-G.net if you want to see these types of A-bodies. Not many of them here.
My 69 is built in that mode.

I'm headed more "street fighter" or "g-machine" but there a bunch of "A" bodies in process and a few done at the above mentioned links.

Here's mine. :D
http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/uploads/6362/SUSP1.JPG

There's a bunch of them here... off the top of my head (so forgive the mis-spelled names):
Dennis68 - 68 El Camino
Clint44 - '69 El Camino
Redrum - '69 Chevelle
KAA - '70 El Camino
Zefix - '70 Chevelle
72SSAbody - 72 Chevelle
airrj - 71 Chevelle (?)
Gokou - 69 Chevelle
69boo307 - 69 Chevelle
I know there are many more, but these are the guys I see post regularly :)

Derek,

What setup are you running there on the front? I've been looking into front suspension components. scandc.com G5 kit and probably some afco lowers and coilovers if I can afford it. How much do you have in there if you don't mind me asking? I have a good idea already.

Stock Spindles with all of this fun stuff :)
http://www.chevelles.net/forum/ultimatebb.php/topic/4/2.html
About $1100, before Brakes, Shocks, and Steering components.

I'm working on my last quarter panel, then final body work, and paint. I am rounding the corner on a complete frame-off with upgrades to be close to, if not Pro-touring.

Tall Spindle upgrade with 12" discs
Reinforced lower A Arms
Conversion to 4 on the floor from automatic on the column
Change to tilt steering
Rear sway bar and frame supports
Ripped out the 10 bolt and put in a 12 bolt with Eaton Posi & 3:73 gears
Large front sway bar
Headers and 3" exhaust to X pipe where it goes down to 2 1/2 Flowmasters
Edelbrock quadrajet intake, 454 heads on a 402 bored to 410, Edelbrock Quadrajet, high pressure oil pump, Milodon 6 quart oil pan, remote oil filter.
9.5:1 pistons allow for pump gas
Computer Dyno specs engine at around 375HP & 425Ftlbs Torque
Unusual 4 speed tranny out of an early 80's Chevy truck- Overdrive
HEI ignition with low resistance copper silicon insulated wires
Front serpentine system, modified to run a standard rotation long water pump.
Vintage Air A/C - Heat- Defrost
Chrome Booster
Stainless-polished firewall
Stainless radiator hoses
Working on some body modifications, but not finalized yet.
Lexus power & heated bucket seats
Plans for custom interior, with custom console
Autometer Guages - Cobalt 270 degree electric
Custom interior lighting
Nice custom stereo planned

Would you call this "Pro-Touring" ?

Steve

Check out this one in the classifieds.
http://www.chevelles.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=329

Thanks guys, and keep the info coming.

Check out this one in the classifieds.
http://www.chevelles.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=329
Not Pro-Touring but very nice and fast as hell. Car has run a best of 10.50 at 136.5 in the quarter mile with a 1.83 60 time

Not Pro-Touring but very nice and fast as hell.
Why do you think it's not pro touring,I do?

Go to PT or Latg for "sticky" definitions. We have had this discussion at least a dozen times over there. Pro-Touring is largely defined by the quest for improved roll characteristics, i.e. NOT using lift bars, NOT using poly bushings in rear arms, where are the pizza box sized rotors?, I didn't see anything about substantially increased spring rates F&R or the amount the CoG has been dropped.

Pro-Touring is NOT like the late Pro-Street craze where a fast looking car with steam rollers met the criteria; a PT car actually has to be able to pull a decent road course time to make the grade. Check out the latest SEMA entries, although many of them will never see a track or even the street in general, if they did they could at least keep pace with just about anything out there.

Pro-Touring is NOT putting 17 or 18’s or worse even bigger, and a set of drop springs and calling it done. Most of the guys actually have years into the build just doing the calculations and engineering of what is going to need be done for completion. Remember, we are trying to correct GM’s flaws without resorting to a tube chassis. It is real easy to drag race….throw a bunch of motor at it and go (assuming you have the checkbook for it). It takes some real homework to get around a road course. You need to correct the chassis geometry issues, get the 2 ton beast to stop quickly and still get back up to speed in a reasonable amount of time without sacrificing any of the RPM range or throwing a B/B in it and upsetting the F to R weight balance.

...It takes some real homework to get around a road course. You need to correct the chassis geometry issues, get the 2 ton beast to stop quickly and still get back up to speed in a reasonable amount of time without sacrificing any of the RPM range or throwing a B/B in it and upsetting the F to R weight balance.
Geez Dennis. You had me right there with you up to the point where you diss'ed the BBC. Sometimes it is worth losing a little perfection in balance to have those extra CIs up front putting that big ol' smile on your face.

I'm planning on buying a '66 or '67 Velle and and doing some pro-touring stuff to it(not sure what yet). But the idea of a old muscle car that handles like a new sports car is VERY COOL!

And HI Clint, thanks for all the info on the ART suspensions last week.

throwing a B/B in it and upsetting the F to R weight balance.

Bah, can tune out the weight bias with proper spring selection, ride height and a REAR SWAY BAR! :waving: :p ;)

Just funnin witcha.

It is real easy to drag race….throw a bunch of motor at it and go (assuming you have the checkbook for it).

Try telling that to the guys who've gotten their two-ton beasts into the 10's (or the 11's or 12's for that matter). ;)

I guess it's all up to how you interpret "por-touring". It's definitely not drag strip racing, and to me "touring" means your driving it a significant amount. I THINK what I am after in my car fits closer to Pro-touring than anything else, but my definition may be different than the next guy.

Yeah, I want to, and have tried to, improve cornering and braking, but I don't expect to be able to out corner a sports car in this heavy relatively high sitting beast. I'm also not entering it into any racing involving a lot of cornering. That's not what these cars were built for, and trying to make it something it wasn't designed to be will be very expensive.

What I am going for does improve on cornering, braking, performance, and much more. I think combining the style, power, and "freedom from restrictions" of these classic cars, along with many modern improved features can and will make my car much more comfortable for "touring". As in "Power Tour". Making a car more drivable, comfortable, safer, and more fun to drive on long, or short, trips is my goal.

I plan on doing this with combining the best of yesterday with the best (or as close as I can afford) of today....and doing the car MY way. I guess it would be somewhere in between a restoration and a drag strip only car. If it doesn't fit Pro Touring, then maybe we need a new term or "class" ?

Steve

Go to PT or Latg for "sticky" definitions. We have had this discussion at least a dozen times over there. Pro-Touring is largely defined by the quest for improved roll characteristics...

Pro-Touring is NOT like the late Pro-Street craze where a fast looking car with steam rollers met the criteria; a PT car actually has to be able to pull a decent road course time to make the grade.

Pro-Touring is NOT putting 17 or 18’s or worse even bigger, and a set of drop springs and calling it done. Most of the guys actually have years into the build just doing the calculations and engineering of what is going to need be done for completion.

I respectfully disagree with Dennis... Now I do laugh at those that simply swap on a pair of large diameter wheels and say they are Pro-Touring, BUT, just because some guy over at some website say it is so, doesn't make it so...

Sure, the hardcore guys are doing this, and they probably scoff at anyone who they deem unworthy, But even if the actual person that originally coined the term "Pro-Touring" set the definition, that still doesn't mean thats what it means. This happens all the time with the term "Musclecar"...

Look at the word itself, Pro-Touring... It is about a car that can do all aspects well, more like a modern car (Better handling, braking, comfort, overdrive, etc), better than stock, maybe not better than some 90's cars. Pro-Touring is all about "Touring", something that can compete with modern touring cars comfortably, ar at least look like it... I have heard these definitions for years... These are all things that have been around for many years and called Pro-Touring. Sure, some people will take this to extremes, but that doesn't mean that if you don't, you are not in that style... Sure, you might not garner praise, but...

Can't use a tube frame? Then all those Camaros with the Wayne Due clips aren't P-T?

G-Machine? Okay, thats obvious, its a quest for maximum G's...

As the hobby and market place evolve, the cars get more technical, but that doesn't mean those without the latest stuff are NOT P-T...

I agree, that a car with Drum brakes, 15" wheels, or 20" wheels, maybe the lift bars, etc is NOT Pro-Touring, but IMO, its doesn't have to be a wild creation...

Can't argue with this quote:

"As long as it stops, steers and accelerates better than stock it is protouring,the rest is subjective." -Steve Chryssos - posted on Lat-g a week or 2 ago.

Tony, I never said you couldn't have a tube frame, just that it wasn't a requirement.

The guys that actually coined the term "Pro-Touring" are Jeff Smith previously of CHP and Mark Steilow, aka. Thrasher, The Mule, and most recently The Malitude.

It is real easy to drag race….throw a bunch of motor at it and go (assuming you have the checkbook for it).

:rolleyes: :boring:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/562000-562999/562568_22_full.jpg
still the best part is acceleration, but the stopping power is incredible.

Can't argue with this quote:

"As long as it stops, steers and accelerates better than stock it is protouring,the rest is subjective." -Steve Chryssos - posted on Lat-g a week or 2 ago.

i like that quote.

Follow the links below to pictures and engine specs...... High 11's on street tires with all of the creature comforts too.

don't worry, when my car is done, I will show dennis and his UPS truck sounding measely 350 how it is done, big block style!

when my car is done, I will show dennis
LOL, yeah, like that will ever happen. "When my car is done", you kill me Cody. :D

sooner than you think.......

Here's our work in progress. Micky Hale's doing the work:

http://haleperformance.com/projects/70chevelle/

Andy

Pro-Touring, G-Machine...whatever. All I know is I've participated in the last two Hot Rod Power Tours, Chevellabration 2005, put over 100 miles on the road course in one day, and ran 12.01 @ 117 in the 1/4 mile. All without trailering and no mechanical problems of any kind. The tires aren't even close to being worn out and show no signs of unusual wear. It has exceeded my expectations. The only thing I want to do that I haven't yet is an open road event like the Siver State Classic.

By Dennis' standards I'm doing everything wrong. B-Body spindles, Big Block, light weight springs, stock 7/8" sway bar. But works well enough to pass new Vettes on the road course. :D Can't wait to see what it will do when I correct all the "bad" stuff.

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/data/500/703372_109_full.jpeg

you can click on my car to take a look at mine,more touring than PRO,

I've tried a lot of things to create a "Pro-Touring" car...going back to 84 when I first started....not a lot to choose form unless you were real familiar with circle track or road course racing guys or manufacturers. I started with Dick Guldstrand, Global West, and Herb Adams, also a company called H-O Racing. Mostly bolt on stuff.....sway bars, springs, shock, control arms, solid and three piece sleeve bushings with nylon sleeve inserts for greasing....brakes were from other cars, mostly camaro. Some stuff had to be modified to fit the A spindle. Which brought me into the next phase namely from the infamous article "Knuckel Sandwich" I still have that article from (was it) Car Craft? Yeah, I did the swap and lived with that for a long time....wide 255-50/16 Goodyear Gatorback tires all the way around. Very few people were doing this to their cars in the late 80's. I enjoyed it though and really loved driving the car on the road hard. But the project never stops, hey it's a hobbie, there's always something new or different I want to try out. (My other half can't seem to understand this) The problem is that you don't always know who to trust when new stuff is available. Magazines have their reasons for biasing tech and test articles, people may not always be right....I like to try a lot of stuff myself and see where it goes. Sometime I take a persons opinion after talking with them for a while or reading through these postings and questioning the responses. Check out the manufacturer's website, do some figuring or calculations, maybe taking a ride with someone in their PT car....Live and learn. I am into my upteen time changing things on the cars suspension and brakes again...and it won't be the last time. For now I'm using more Global West, QA-1 and Baer stuff on the car. It's all fun for me, I enjoy toying with the car.....pics are in the signature section.
Sam

Geez Dennis. You had me right there with you up to the point where you diss'ed the BBC. Sometimes it is worth losing a little perfection in balance to have those extra CIs up front putting that big ol' smile on your face.

You don't need a BBC to get big HP and TQ numbers. An LS1,LS2, LS6(new style) only weighs 350lbs and we can easily get 400+ RWHP nd 380+RWTQ. And the new LS7 is a brute (but out of my price range) I was on the phone with Jerry at Magnacharger a few weeks back and they are getting over 500RWHP out of a supercharged LS2 (stock motor other than SC, cam and long tube headers) and that thing is only 400CI. I think that an LS2 motor with a T56 6 speed trans would be the hot setup for a PT A-body. That way you get good weight balance, and light weight powerplant, with torque and horsepower. And once you got bored with 425HP, you can put a huffer on it and really make some power

Here are some pics of my 67 SS. Semi Pro Touring style.
House of Kolors Paint, 600+ hp 468 BBC 10.44:1 CR, Air Gap, Demon 850, Hppker Super comps, Flowmasters w/ X pipe, Custom Center exit exhaust (soon), 18" and 20" Billet Specialties Wheels on Nitto 555 Extreme, Richmond 6 speed, 3.73 Richmond Geared 12 Bolt posi, Powdercoated Frame, Stainless steel fuel, and brake lines, Full Hotchkis suspension package, KYB Gas A Just shocks, Disc Brakes, White Interior with Radio and Heater Delete. Should be complete in February.
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WOW, that's a fantastic looking ride :cool:

What style are those wheels, like the spoke design you chose.

They look like C5 Z06 wheels. Could be something else though.

RJ,
It looks like there's someone else who liked the look of your wheels :thumbsup:

Joe

WOW, that's a fantastic looking ride :cool:

What style are those wheels, like the spoke design you chose.

They are actually Billet Specialties wheels. Although I do like the Z06 style wheels, these are different. Thanks for the compliments.

The wheels, I could not find those on thier website, is this a special order rim or discontinued?

The wheels, I could not find those on thier website, is this a special order rim or discontinued?

Try this link:

http://www.billetspecialties.com/item.asp?cid=16&scid=18&pid=17

As you will see, they are expensive