On a '70 chevelle ss WITHOUT a vinyl top, just how far up do the stripes extend past the rear of the deck lid, on the valance? I think it's called a valance, it's that area between the end of the deck lid and the bottom of the rear window.

Some say it goes to the bottom of the window at the chrome and some say it should stop somewhere on the valance. Does anybody out there have proof....an untouched '70 ss with stripes, a picture of a new(in 1970) car from the rear or a statement from a chevelle fact book? One of my books talks about the two width differences between early '70's and late '70's but none describe my question.

Thanks for reading this...

Wally

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Wally Sowles TC#1448

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All the way up to the window, no space between stripes and window chrome. I think it actually extends under the chrome. No doubts in my mind. There should be no space on the rear deck between stripes and window. To quote Run DMC "Its like that and thats the way it is".

Search paint and body for stripes and you will find the posts where this has been discussed previously. How it is on my SS and every other true SS I have seen in person and all my literature, including original 70's brochures and advertisements.

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i have the GM paint specs and they have it going all the way under the chrome window trim. it does not stop short. that would make it more expensive to put on by having the extra precision that just was not necessary.

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THANKS guys, and would you share your information so I could get my hands on those paint specs too,FOFDYFO? Much abliged,
Wally

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Wally Sowles TC#1448

Smokin' TIRES won't give you cancer.....

i'll see what i can do.

I don't know if it's the same for a 70-72, but take a look at this (http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/tempstripes4.jpg). Cal


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After reading Shawns post below, there is more confussion. Please don't use this until we get it straightened out. Please read below, and sorry for the confusion.
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[This message has been edited by 72sselcamino (edited 04-28-2002).]

WELL THAT ONE SHOWS IT NOT GOING UNDER THE WINDOW TRIM.
I will check 1970 out tonight take a pic of the page and post it monday.

I think in the assembly manual it just doesnt show it. If you look at the edge near the bumper you will see the specs for stopping close to the edge. There are no such measurements at the top of the decklid by the rear window. If they stopped short of the chrome the assembly manual would have shown how far from the chrom trim they should stop. No such measurement because they dont stop there. Just as on the hood. Allaway back and under said trim.


EDIT: I just realized they show measurements, however, it looks like the measurements shown for stopping before rear window are for convertible not HT coupe. Am I seeing this wrong? In any case, I know these stripes are supposed to go all the way under trim and up to the rear window.

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[This message has been edited by Midnight Marauder (edited 04-26-2002).]

Sorry I threw a wrench in the works guy's, but that page is straight out of a 71 assembly manuel. Now we need to figure out if it's the same for a 70. Can anyone verify this. Cal

The way I read it, the coupe distance is 2" distance from stripe to the window or the chrome piece, according to the picture.

I'm still with this, I appreciate what you have said so far.....you would think those 3 years would be the same....maybe....

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4th Week of December,1969

Wally Sowles TC#1448

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IM tellin ya guys, all the way under the trim up to the glass. Not a doubt in my purdy little head. I was in redding this last weekend and saw a documented LS6, buildsheet in the window and original owner ride. Stripes, all the way, no spaces...none. Same with my car and every other SS i've ever seen or dealt with that was original.

I think width of stripes may have changed after 70 but this I am not sure of.

If I have time I will scan the original promotional ads and other stuff I have accumulated and post the pics of the 70's.

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Waaait a minute.. look at the "A" and "B" in the diagram. In the upper left corner it says it's cancelled, and they most likely mean that gap shown there was cancelled. I have never seen one stop short, and with the convertibles it goes underneath the top.

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Shawn, good eye. But what they are refering to is not this sheet(or page). They are talking about the next 2 sheets in the book, sheet D88 2, and sheet D88 3 wich have CANCELED stamped on them.

Keep in mind this is from a 71 assembly manual.

I am trying to scan these picture's, but my damn scanner is srewing up.

On sheet 2, it shows the stripe going under the trim, all the way up to the glass.( like Midnight is talking about) But it also shows it going all the way down over the bumper. I never seen a stripe on a bumper, but I could be wrong. This sheet is stamped canceled. It also says sticker added.

Sheet 3 is showing the stripe for the Elcamino tailgate. It shows the strip going from top to bottom, like it was a continuance of a deck lid stripe. It too is stamped CANCELED. It also says sticker added.

I will keep trying to scan the pics. What we need is a 70 assembly manual.

Again, sorry for the confussion. Cal

I'm looking at the 1970 assembly manual right now. It shows the coupe should have a 2" gap between the bottom of the rear window trim and the top of the stripe. On the rag top it should be 1.09". On a vinyl top car the stripe should go all the way to the bottom trim. That IS what the assembly manual shows, but almost nobody on this board thinks that's the way they were actually built. I don't know for sure which way is right myself.

This has been discussed several times here, but I don't think we've ever gotten a definate answer. Hope we will this time.

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did a lot of collision repair on 70's chevelles. my memory says we always went under back glass chrome. we also added stripes to non stripe vehicles.even back then there was a great effort to duplicate the factory look. laying out the rear deck was easy. hood with bubble was tedious. both front & rear stripes extended to chrome. i agree with majority. hope this helps.

well i looked in my 1970 gm assembly manual and it shows the same thing shown above as on the 1971. which says there should be 2.00 below. but i looked on one of my original 70 ss wich i am almost posative has the original paint still and it had the stripes go all the way under the window trim. if i think about it, it must be a mistake because the piece of metal between the window and the trunk is only about 5 inches wide. if the book says it is 2 inches below the window trim it would be very obviouse that the stripe stops almost half way in that pannel. i think i would have noticed that on all the chevelles i have ever seen. i think they realised that it would be stupid to stop the strip short and ignored it during production and never corrected it. also i have put new stripes on cars using the stensil kits and they made no mention obout stoping it short. (not that you can rely on that, but it is just another piece of conformation). i dont think you will have anyone step up and say "yes i have an 100% original ss that the stripes stop short of the rear window trim". we'll see. http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif

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Doesn't 2 blue LS6's have an original 1970???? And isn't there another guy with an original LS6????

Maybe they could shed some definitive light on this subject.....or what about the one and only Chuck Hanson.....?

Wally

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Wally Sowles TC#1448

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by teach:
Doesn't 2 blue LS6's have an original 1970???? And isn't there another guy with an original LS6????

Maybe they could shed some definitive light on this subject.....or what about the one and only Chuck Hanson.....?

Wally

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Good Idea. Perhaps I should email GM direct and inquire about this manual discrepancy? Im willing to plunk down the money for my new mill that it is and always has been under the chrome.

I looked in my 70 assy manual too, same pic, same deal.

Wouldnt have to be an LS6 to verify for sure, just a documented SS would suffice. Mine is documented as far as can be done without finding the buildsheet which I am working on...so, I guees it really aint documented. http://www.chevelles.com/forum/rolleyes.gif hehehe

Im gonna email GM and see what I can find out.



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I don't think you'll get squat out of GM. They'll say,,,"ugh, that imformation was burnt in a fire." But good luck. Cal

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 72sselcamino:
I don't think you'll get squat out of GM. They'll say,,,"ugh, that imformation was burnt in a fire." But good luck. Cal<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


How right you are. They are giving me the run around. "You need to talk to..." or "You need to contact...." etc.

I think Chuck would know or know someone that could give us the once and for all definitive answer. I know what it is but I want someone to say "Yes, and this is why......."


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Back again with more "book information". In the CHEVELLE SS RESTORATION GUIDE by Paul A. Herd, the thick book with "Authentic Restoration Guide" on the front and the BIG Beautiful '71 red convertible SS in the shade, on page 140, the words are written.

Under, 1970 SS Twin Hood-Deck Stripes Specifications....Note: The stripes on the hood continue over the rear edge of the hood and disappear into the bright molding. THE STRIPES ON THE DECK LID DO(and the word do is slanted for emphasis)EXTEND OVER FOR ANOTHER 2 IN.ON THE COUPE AND 1.09-in. ON THE CONVERTIBLE. ON COUPES WITH A VINYL TOP(C08),THE STRIPES SHOULD END AT THE LID OPENING.

MORE FIRE OR MORE PROOF....????

NOW.....LOOK ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE AND THERE IS A REAR SHOT OF A '70 COUPE WITH BLACK STRIPES GOING UP THE VALANCE TO THE "BRIGHT MOLDING".....NOW I DON'T KNOW IF THESE PICTURES ARE "ERA CORRECT" OR SIMPLY PICTURES OF RESTORED CHEVELLES. ON THE BACK COVER THEY ARE STATING THAT THIS BOOK WILL BECOME THE STANDARD SOURCE FOR ACCURATE RESTORATIO, ASSEMBLY, REFURBISHING AND SHOW JUDGING.

HMMMMMMMMM...

Wally

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Wally Sowles TC#1448

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I don't know about the book becoming the "standard source for accurate blah, blah, blah ......". There have been many problems with the book that Chevelle people really know otherwise about. Not knocking it, but it does contain certain errors. Do a search on the book here and get others opinions as well. Here on TC is where you will get definitive answers to your questions. If not, at least the questions will be discussed even if a definitive answer becomes non-evident. Seems as though the assembly guide has also been proven wrong in some situations.

My SS has a vinyl roof and the manual says the stripes end at the trunk lid. This has been proven wrong by many people here on TC. It has been mentioned that the stripes continue all the way up and below the rear window bright molding. I believe this to be correct for vinyl and non-vinyl roof cars. Don't really know about the convertibles. Any one else here want to chime in on this?

I don't think teach's (Wally's) question has yet been answered. Of course it's up to teach to use the information presented here and make a decision using his own good judgement.

[This message has been edited by Super70 (edited 04-30-2002).]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by teach:

MORE FIRE OR MORE PROOF....????

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Get the pales of water Gertrude, I smell smoke! http://www.chevelles.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Im staying with this one guys. We'll get the correct info yet. If that book is correct there are going to be alot of guys that have finished restos getting really upset with themselves and some guys with original paint going back to the factory for "correct" paint. http://www.chevelles.com/forum/wink.gif

The $96,000 original LS6 they were selling at Kassabian Classics had original everything and the stripes were the way we describe not the way the book states. I paid very close attention to this car and looked at it for roughly an hour for reference purposes and general drooling that comes with staring at a documented original LS6.

We need to call in Columbo and get to the bottom of this here mystery.

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[This message has been edited by Midnight Marauder (edited 04-30-2002).]

I'm MORE inclined to believe what so many individuals have SEEN and EXPERIENCED and ACTUALLY HAVE than things written. But, so many times we have been fooled , taken advantage of and lied to ....it's THIS that makes one lend an ear to something written that SHOULD be true.

I'll close with wishing that 'ol Chucky would shed some light AND that the next '70 chevelle I see just might have ORIGINAL paint and can be proven that it was never hit hard in the rear.....we might as well wish BIG !

thanks a TON for all your interest...

car thoughts, Wally

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Astro Blue '70 SS Christmas Chevelle
Build/Born on Date (12D)
4th Week of December,1969

Wally Sowles TC#1448

Smokin' TIRES won't give you cancer.....