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Originally Posted by Eric6872
no it doesn't, you are comparing apples to oranges .
a no choke carb that you had to tune tons(your words not mine)
over a tbi that has a choke , I know it doesn't have a choke blade and all but it had a choke ,as you were saying..The only person comparing TB to Carb is you...The thread is asking for feedback between TBI and MPFI...
I also NEVER said "I had to tune it tons"...as I am a grown man, and don't even talk (or type) in teenspeak... I said, "I didn't want to spend the limited time on my weekends, I had dicking around with the carb"...Had you ever seen any of my other threads or posts in the past, you'd be at least somewhat educated on what you think I am saying, and also would have read/known, that I drag race often, and also very often go to a local show or cruise, the same weekends. Had your reading comprehension not suck, you'd have understood that I also had written that my car (with carb) was either great at WOT, and rich all other times, or OK at WOT and OK at cruise rpm's. With my new inferior TBI setup, I can actually start the car easily in any temperature, drive the car whether to race or cruise with no issue, and it runs great at any RPM, which is 100% exactly what "I" wanted it to do...Not sure why that's so hard for you to grasp, or why it's any of your effing business...But I can't type it any slower.....
Oh so sorry, I didn't quote you word for word.. you complained that you could not get the carb to run right, it either ran good at WFO and pig rich cruising.. THAT IS NOT THE CARB's FAULT THAT is WHOM EVER SET IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Eric6872
if the guy that bought your carb, put one on his 427 that has a choke, it work as good as that new tbi, but that require not using a carb made to start when cold...I guess I am an idiot too? Because I've read this run-on sentence 5 times, and still have no idea WTF you are trying to say??? LMAO...
I'm thinking your old carb was set up as a drag carb, WFO or idle but I won't sink you your level
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Originally Posted by Eric6872
but good to see you name calling, because you don't or can't tune a carb.. and that is why tbi units(kits) sell, most can't tune a carb.
and many more buy a fancy one with changeable air bleeds/etc and have no clue on how to get it to work on their package..No name calling. I stated a fact. You have shown everyone what you are about...and that's sad, for you.
anyway...Yeah, I don't have a clue. I've made a living being a mechanic for nearly as long as you've been breathing, and surprisingly, I do have full confidence in my skill level and performance choices...especially when questioned by an internet troll, such as yourself. I was done with this whole topic, until you felt the need to put your little nose in and rehash it. Why? I have no idea...but I'd wager you not being around here too long if this is your forte' and the bad habit you've came here with...
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Originally Posted by Eric6872
if you are happy at spending 1400.00 for a tbi, that is great..
the carb you had unless totally the wong cfm. would've been 1400.00 cheaper, but you think your tbi was only 100.00 as you compare it to buying yet another carb to fix whatever the reason was the first one was giving you fits..News Flash!! I AM HAPPY, so it's puzzling to me as to why you felt the need to come here and voice your opinion to what I said...I never directed anything to you, and am actually sorry I directed any negativity towards Schurkey...even so, it's not your battle...
Let me check your math...
I spent $1400 on a FiTech EFI kit w/fuel system
I spent nearly $700 on a Quick Fuel carb + mods.
In your mind, if I hadn't spent the $1400, my investment would have been $000??? How does that work? In fact, don't even try to explain your logic...as I've said already, I don't GAF what your opinion is...
But let me show you math that actually "adds up"...
I spent $1400 on a FiTech EFI kit w/fuel system
I SOLD my Quick Fuel Carb for $350...
Out here in the real world, where everyone should have been taught basic subtraction in the 3rd grade...
$1400 - $350 = $1,050
Now, I know this is getting EXTREMELY technical here, but stick with me...ok, now imagine that I had gotten a quote for a super-dooper race carb, and that the quote was for $900...
$1050 - $900 = $150
$150 = how much MORE I spent, at no one else's but my sole choice, to convert to EFI, instead of (and I quote myself) making the choice of dicking around with a carb...
My math is fine, clearly your isn't or you didn't understand what I was saying..
YOU ALREADY OWNED THAT FANCY CARB THAT YOU COULD NOT TUNE.. SO IT COST NADA.. but the new TBI cost 1400.00 so instead of fixing the air meter you already owned, that was bought and paid for.. you spent 1400.00 THAT WAS MY POINT.. a gasket kit, a few air bleeds, pump ramps, maybe the correct sized shooters, and what you already had would've run like a raped ape, and not made your eyes water from it being rich.. Hay if you have no problem with spending the money, not mine to say you shouldn't have.. but the carb on your car before wasnot the problem.. user error was..
Your post you said to get a super -dooper car carb was only a 100 cheaper, now you say here 150.00 cheaper.. way I see it, the parts to tune the carb you owned that was on it. would've cost under a c-note.. so the EFI was 1300.00 more.. Most fix what they have not go pricing out another carb, then use that as a reason for the TBI. not being much more.. BUT hay your math , your logic
Your comment on " I don't GAF what your opinion is " News flash.. this is what they call a forum.. people post, their thoughts on the matter, Trust me I won't loose any sleep over you caring or not, on my thoughts on this..
Moral of the story is:
Nobody here cares what you think...especially not me. When you are someone who matters, then feel free to tell me how to spend my own money...until then, how about taking a deep breath, sit back, relax and stop showing your ignorance and attitude. This is, for the most part, a decent website, where people who actually have knowledge and experience in multiple facets of this hobby choose to share with other like-minded people...It's not normally one where somebody pops in and the majority of their 30+ posts in a month, are them trying to be the cool guy on campus...
Like I said, your comprehension skills lack...as do your mathematics, evidently.
Moral to the story is you are a CHILD.. that has to degrade and use fowl wording to make your point.. Oh, and I laugh at your thinking of "trying to be the cool guy on campus"
You see TBI is no better than a well tuned carb.. never was never will be..
Sure it has it's pro's... set it and forget it.. and no issues with sea level changes...user friendly cold starts, i.e. no need to wait, just start it and drop it in gear and go.. something you can do with that mechanical thing, when it's set up right and the choke is set correctly..
but it also has it's con's.. less power, worse fuel swings, cyl to cyl, and doesn't cool the charge. needs the vehicles wiring to be in tip top shape as they don't like noise.. They don't last long when you use the early 70's type alt, and charging system..
and cost to much.. only reason they are able to charge 1400-2700.oo for these kits, is they are stupid easy to install, and most people in the hobby, are catalog hot rodders,, crate engine, crate trans, They don't want to work on them.. just get thumb's up.. and thats fine, but that is the only reason there is a market for TBI.. And because of this, the vendors are able to get 3500-4000 for mpefi.. when it shouldn't be anywhere near that..
A junkyard take off TBI. and a MSII ecu (300.00) will do the same thing as that 1400.oo TBI kit.. other that self tune.. you'd have to tune it just like a carb.. or download a tune from the web site of a combo like the one you have.. and have it real close.. but that require a little work on the users end.. Some fine spending the extra 1000.00+ to have the software tune it close.. (self learning) is worth it.. and thats up to them, but I'll fall over laughing when they wax on about all the parts they have in the engine for more power, and then slapped a TBI.. on top of it..
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