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67 el camino BBC w/long water pump?

I did a search and it looks like its doable. Is there any thing I should be aware of?
Ive got a 454, hedman headers for a bbc A body, and the accy brackets I have are the long waterpump variety. Only thing Im missing is the lower alternator bracket, Other than that I have the upper bracket, waterpump pulley, crank pulley, PS brackets for the later style pump, (not the banjo style).
I know about the oil pan for a A body, but it looks like thats it for having to buy stuff. For the radiator, im going with a ebay aluminum radiator.
Any input is greatly appreciated.
The car is a 67 el camino that had a big block that was removed before being sold. thanks. im

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Re: 67 el camino BBC w/long water pump?

my cousin had a 66 Chevelle with a 402 that had the long water pump.. he had just enough room to squeeze a factory 4 blade solid fan in there... it was tight, but he drove that thing everywhere and beat the hell out of it without any cooling problems..

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Re: 67 el camino BBC w/long water pump?

Yah, but he didn't do it in Arizona in July or August. Jim, you gonna run electric fan(s)?
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Re: 67 el camino BBC w/long water pump?

Jim Mac,
I have a 454, LWP, alternator on L side in my '67.
I run a fixed blade 17" fan, a short spacer to get past the alt pulley, and a factory repro fan shroud, with an Alumitech radiator.
No problems.

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Re: 67 el camino BBC w/long water pump?

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Yah, but he didn't do it in Arizona in July or August. Jim, you gonna run electric fan(s)?
MN in July isn't exactly a cakewalk for cooling systems..

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Re: 67 el camino BBC w/long water pump?

Im hoping to get away with a fixed fan or a flex fan, I am going with a aluminum radiator. The motor I have is a stock truck type 454 so its not a high horse motor, hopefully just torquey. The tranny is a TH350 with a shift kit and a 2500 stall and the rear gears are 3.08. My buddy did offer me a deal on a 454 last night. I think its about 9.5 to 1 peanut ports, performer cam and intake. Fresh riings bearings oil pump and gaskets. The motor came out of another friends truck that he sold. It was a great running motor, but since it was out my friend decided to freshen it up. Comes with the swp brackets and pulleys, bb fan shroud, motor mounts. Only issue I have is convincing my wife to pitch some cash in on the project. jim

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I run a new, stock replacement, BBC 66 radiator in the 65. I use a full 66 shroud and fixed blade fan setting 1/2 in and 1/2 out of the shroud - along with a long water pump. The fan sets about 3/4" from the radiator. The 66/67 radiators are a true full crossflow and are pretty efficient if in good condition.The iron head 496 never gets over 190 in heavy traffic, but typically runs at 170 - 180 regardless of the outside temp when moving down the road. It has a 180 stat in it. Did the same set up to a friends 66 with a ZZ502 and it runs about the same, maybe 5 degrees higher. Ignition timing is crucial to running cool too, I find that I need at least 16 degrees base to let it run cool. FWIW. Ed

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Re: 67 el camino BBC w/long water pump?

My 67 Malibu has a Edlebrock long Aluminum Water Pump. I had a custom 4 row copper radiator built. I use a high performance flex fan with a shroud. No cooling problems for my 540 inch Rat at all.

The flex fan clears the radiator by about an inch.

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Re: 67 el camino BBC w/long water pump?

My 67 chevelle is a 427 long water pump, oem standard radiator with a 15in fan, big block fan shroud with a 1in fan spacer I think, to clear the alternator. ALL I did was reroute the harness over to the pass side, purchased 70 BB brackets bolted everything up and never looked back.

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Re: 67 el camino BBC w/long water pump?

Are you guys running power steering too? Thanks.

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Are you guys running power steering too? Thanks.

I am.......... all my brackets, power steering and alternator are for a 70 Chevelle

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Re: 67 el camino BBC w/long water pump?

Thanks! the only thing it looks like im going to be ordering is a oil pan, PST motor mounts and a lower alterantor bracket (which im sure I have, just have to find it). jim

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Are you guys running power steering too? Thanks.
I am.

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Re: 67 el camino BBC w/long water pump?

i had a 65 with a Procharged 496-i used a long WP, 67 BB fan shroud, and a 7 bladed aftermarket fan-Flexlite or something, Procharger PS kit
i used a cheap Ebay rad for a 65, never ran hot at all, did a short spacer on the fan

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Re: 67 el camino BBC w/long water pump?

Fixed flex fan W/power steering and a/c. I had problems until i goy shroud. 3 row radiator as well, 180 in heavy traffic, 190 with air on in heavy traffic.

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