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post #1 of 62 (permalink) Old Aug 14th, 09, 1:48 AM Thread Starter
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Front End Suspension, Moog, Master Pro, PST which one?

I have been looking at the front end kits, will go rubber, but the:

Moog is pricey.... $283 but part by part
Big Tony Chevelle has a kit for $150
PST has a kit for $369
CCP has a kit for $259
MPC Master Pro Oreilly House Brand

..................Moog... MPC ....CCP
2Uballjoint...... 30..... 9....... 19
2Lballjoint .......30.... 15 ......23
O tie rod .........46.... 20...... 39
I tie rod ..........25.... 11.......14
Tie Adjust .......32 ....11...... 18
CA Bushings..... 59.....59...... 59
Sway b end......28.....16...... 28
Idler Arm......... 33.....15...... 29
....................$283..$175 ..$229


Is the Moog better due to marketing or truly superior over these other manufactors?....When you line them up side by side, they damn near look the same. MCP is Orelliy's house brand. My buddy that works there says they use em all the time and Moog you are paying for advertisement. But I noticed that if you break down the parts in these kits from the restoration sites/shops, they are the same price as MCP's part for part.... The they are cheaper than the Moog....... So my question is can you live with the MCP stuff from Oreilly's?

I also talked to a guy from one of the resto sites and he claimed Moog out sources their componets anyway and often parts will not fit or look orig. He says their parts are better for retro.....

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Re: Front End Suspension, Moog, Master Pro, PST which one?

i like Moog parts. they just feel better than the cheap junk.

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Re: Front End Suspension, Moog, Master Pro, PST which one?

Moog is a top quality part made in the USA and CANADA not "offshore" their products provide excellent fit and reliabilty and are made to last.We have never had a problem with a Moog unit in 35 years and their reputation speaks for itself. note the prices you list are they all for 2 and are they MOOG NEW STOCK the ball joints and the ends does not look correct Bob Rizzi/Rizzi's Auto Parts
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Re: Front End Suspension, Moog, Master Pro, PST which one?

Compare Dana/Spicer suspension parts to the same Moog ones.
Spicer is better by far!!

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Re: Front End Suspension, Moog, Master Pro, PST which one?

Good topic....I have been researching the following as well as I am ordering a front end rebuild kit this weekend as well. PST said they use some moog parts in there kit and also make there own....I wish moog had a kit rather than parting it out.

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Re: Front End Suspension, Moog, Master Pro, PST which one?

[QUOTE=BillsCamino;2478328]Compare Dana/Spicer suspension parts to the same Moog ones.
Spicer is better by far!![


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good topic....i have been researching the following as well as i am ordering a front end rebuild kit this weekend as well. Pst said they use some moog parts in there kit and also make there own....i wish moog had a kit rather than parting it out.


moog kits can be made up very easily if done right / bob rizzi rizzi's auto parts
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Rizzi427: Moog is a top quality part made in the USA and CANADA not "offshore"
I just replaced lower control arm bushings on my friends '03 Ferd Escape. I told him to buy the quality Moog parts. Upon opening the boxes the bushings said "MADE IN CHINA"
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I just replaced lower control arm bushings on my friends '03 Ferd Escape. I told him to buy the quality Moog parts. Upon opening the boxes the bushings said "MADE IN CHINA"


if that product was made in china it should of been stamped on the box,


box should also state "problem solver" bob rizzi/ rizzi's auto parts

we are discussing moog parts for a chevelle ?
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Compare Dana/Spicer suspension parts to the same Moog ones.
Spicer is better by far!!
Yes, and add another column with pricing from www.rockauto.com

I bet it will be cheaper!

Let me know when you are ready for the 5% discount code
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service grade ,professional grade etc, etc, know the product sell the product stand by the product>>>>>>>>> bob rizzi/rizzi's auto parts
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Re: Front End Suspension, Moog, Master Pro, PST which one?

To add something to the gumbo...... I just left Oreilly's where my buddy works, the old timer there said Borg Wagner makes the Master Pro Oreilly house brand........He said sometimes they open up the boxes and they say moog on the parts of the Master Pro......The Master Pro looked exactly like the Moog..... He basically said its all a gumbo..... but I have used Moog on my 67 Deville I had, with no probs.......

The thing that was interesting to me was when I talked to one of the vendors here the tech said they do not use moog, their claim is that Moog outsources so many parts, and sometimes they do not mate completely OEM with our cars......

So that goes back to when I compare prices of some of these kits and part for part from the resto shops..... Are the resto vendors buying the cheap house brands, then packaging them up and selling them?

Tony's Chevelle $150
Ground UP $159 and $269
PST $179 and $369
CCP $149 and $259

These are suppose to be complete kits... How are they selling em so cheap, but the Moog's are $300 plus....

Just trying to figure this stuff out............I am a economist so I try to nail it down to the finite numbers.......Maybe I am helping myself as well as others put the numbers to the pad and figure out the quality.. I do not want to over pay for damn near the same parts and pay for one company's advertisement......
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service grade ,professional grade etc, etc, know the product sell the product stand by the product>>>>>>>>> bob rizzi/rizzi's auto parts
Rizzi do you see what I am saying? What gives, who do you trust? If I go Moog I will have to piece it together or use my buddy's shop discount at Oreilly's..... I have a shop account at XL Parts(don't ask any questions how) but wanted to give the vendors a chance before I ordered the Moog part by part.....

I just found out Summit has a Kit Right Stuff for $159...... Are these other kits inferrior to Moog?
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Yes, and add another column with pricing from www.rockauto.com

I bet it will be cheaper!

Let me know when you are ready for the 5% discount code

I see Rockauto has the Raybesto and Mevotech for dirt cheap, who makes these parts?
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John,I have been in the auto parts business since 1975 owned one of the fastest chevelles in the ny area back in the 1960's and early 70's,Moog makes a great product as well as dana/spicer also there is different levels of parts today some parts are made in the USA and some offshore. Some of the kits sold are just that made to be used together because of their design and the grade of steel used, etc. As for a vendor stating problems with a Moog product thats called "knock the competitor buy my product" be assured the parts that Moog makes for your chevelle are "MADE IN THE USA" note they have hd rubber boots on the ball joints and tie rod ends and state" problem solver" when it comes to a classic car know your product!!!!!! Bob Rizzi/Rizzi's Auto Parts
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