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Ebay Issues....

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#1 ·
We listed a car on Ebay last week, had over 100 people watching and numerous emails, calls and questions. Ebay sent the following emails today ~

Dear rach67,

We appreciate that you chose eBay to list the following listing(s):

4559368707 - Chevrolet : Impala

However, your listing was in violation of eBay's Keyword Spamming policy and has been removed from eBay. We have credited all associated fees to your account and notified eBay users associated with the transaction that it has been cancelled.

We would like to take this opportunity to let you know what part of your listing is not permitted. Your listing(s) contains the following information:

Not Chevelle, Camaro or Nova<br>

Please note: violation of this or other eBay policies may result in forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings, limits on account privileges and account suspension.

and this one ~

Dear rach67,

We appreciate that you chose eBay to list the following listing(s):

4559368707 - Chevrolet : Impala

However, your listing was in violation of eBay's Inappropriate Seller Terms policy.

Your listing(s) contains the following information:

The car is for sale locally, so I reserve the right to end the auction early.<br>

Advertising that an item is for sale elsewhere is not permitted.

Please note: violation of this or other eBay policies may result in forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings, limits on account privileges and account suspension.

Since when did all this become an issue? I did a search just now and find all these words in multiple auctions!? Anyone else having troubles?
 
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#2 ·
I can see what their problem is with the first item. People use this tactic to get hits from ebay's search function that they wouldn't get without this wording. For example, if I'm looking for Chevelle stuff, my search is going to hit on your listing unless I exclude words like "Impala" or "Camaro." It's a waste of my time and it slows down the search. If only a few people do it, then it's probably no big deal. If everyone does it, it renders the search function useless.
Kirk
 
#4 ·
That's one of my pet peeves about Ebay. Their "policies" are arbitrary and tend to be enforced arbitrarily. I won an auction several years ago for some parts, including a hood, left door, and some trim. I got it for a buck, and I was the only bidder. I bid on the first day of the auction and never looked at it again until it ended because there was no reason to - no one outbid me. Well, in the mean time, the seller edited the auction and changed it from a left door to a right door. I was interested in the parts mainly for the left door, and didn't need a right door. I told him I wasn't paying or picking up the parts, since they were misrepresented and I was not notified that the auction had been changed. He emailed Ebay and complained, and they told me that if I had caught the error before the auction ended they would have allowed a bid retraction, but since the auction had ended with me as the high bidder I was obligated to complete the transaction. I shot back an email saying "so what you're saying is that it's OK to misrepresent what you're selling as long as no one notices until after the auction is over?". They never answered my question directly but only reiterated the same BS. I even suggested they make some change so that it didn't happen again, but they would have none of it. They threatened to suspend me and the guy threatened to leave negative feedback. I stuck to my guns and neither happened. I don't know if they changed the policy but my experience CAN'T have been the first time that happened.

Ebay is kind of like the cable company...

Andy
 
#5 ·
i agree that both of those issues should nopt be tolerated. The problem is that they are tolerated all the time. alsomost every as you see does that. It's a shame they picked on you. I have alwys said I have a love hate relationship with ebay.
 
#6 ·
My pet peeve is the guys putting "not NOS" in thier titles so they get hits when any searches for something NOS. Personally, I wish they would crack down even more. Someone may have reported your listing too, thats why it sometimes seems arbitrary. I guess with as many listings as they have, its impossible to look at every one. I have reported a few guys with the "not NOS" deal.
 
#7 ·
Yeah, that "not" nonsense is just a royal pain in the butt. If I type "Chevelle" in the search, it's because I'm looking for... you guessed it: a Chevelle. Imagine that. I'm not looking for all the freakin "not Chevelles", like Mustangs, Cudas, Gremlins or whatever people have considered being a suitable substitute for the car I'm really looking for. I don't know why that's so difficult to understand.
 
#10 ·
Thanks guys... I've bought quite a few items on Ebay, just not listed much so I searched on other auctions and did what others seem to be doing. The high bidder on this auction backed out HOURS after placing his high bid. His bid met the reserve so when he backed out everyone knew what the reserve was. I complained about him and that's why Ebay is probably cracking down on me, but if they're going to do it to me, they also need to pull the other auctions that are worded exactly like mine, and they're are plenty. We had over 100 people watching this auction, it's a shame.

By the way ~ 10804 items found for right to end early and 6276 items found for not chevelle in eBay Motors.... I'm not the only one! :mad:
 
#11 ·
I agree with those that oppose the 'not' listing, but as long as it is not done to death I can live with it. However the the inappropriate use of the 'nos' term in a description is something that should not be allowed unless the item is a legitimate 'nos' part. In other words, it must be an unused, surviving part
from the era of car that it goes on, and made by the oem.

I once tried to advise Ebay that someone was selling an item that contained a hazardous material that was specifically banned by Ebay's policy. They e-mailed me that I should call my local police department to report it. So their enforcement of the rules definitely inconsistent.

As far as stating that you may end the auction early. I feel this practice should not be allowed. After all, I cannot bid on an item with a disclaimer that I may buy another car locally and reserve the right to cancel my bid if that occurs. People don't go on Ebay Motors to play games. Someone may pass up other opportunities to acquire a car if they have a bid submitted for yours. If you cancel the auction, they lose both opportunities. If they bid on your car, they have a right to expect it to be there for them if they win. Just like you have the right to expect them to come accross with the money when the auction is over. This seems only fair . If you list it on Ebay, that should be your only sale venue for the duration of the auction.

It seems that it is anguish enough to try to buy a car, sight unseen save for photos, from a complete stranger in another part of the country, compete in the bid process for 7-10 days, maybe have to scramble to round up the cash to make the purchase, get time off from work to go pick it up and get it home. After all this, with anticipation running high, it gets yanked out from under them at the last minute! Bummer. Well that's my .02. Good luck with your sale, wherever it happens.
 
#12 ·
fyrlt1 said:
I agree with those that oppose the 'not' listing, but as long as it is not done to death I can live with it. However the the inappropriate use of the 'nos' term in a description is something that should not be allowed unless the item is a legitimate 'nos' part. In other words, it must be an unused, surviving part
from the era of car that it goes on, and made by the oem.

I have to disagree with this. There is no difference in using the term NOS or the word Chevelle when the auction is offering neither. When I'm looking for NOS parts, thats what I want not some wore out used part. When I'm looking for Chevelle stuff, I want Chevelle stuff. I also have a problem with people adding different years to the auctions. If I'm looking for a 68 Chevelle, I don't want auctions with 67s or 69s. As far as the "right to end the auction early" part, I agree that it shouldn't be allowed but it seems that most of the auctions have that in the description.
James
 
#14 ·
You might have misinterpreted my post. I'm not approving the use of 'not' for either as a 'baiting' tool to draw you to a listing. While this practice may be a bit of a pain, it is not a direct attempt to sell you a misreresented part. (It is also something you can get around with selective searching techniques.) What I was referring to is the 'inappropriate declaration' of a part as being 'NOS' when it is a repo or used. This is really a separate issue from the 'not' listings but it is very prevalent and wastes a lot more of my time than the 'not' listings do.

Also, as you know, many parts are usable for multiple years of Chevelles, and so sellers may list them as such. This is simply a good business practice. Many people only want parts that will fit even if not
'correct' for their year. It's also true that many sellers don't know what year a part will fit so they decare multiple years and leave it to the potential buyer to sort it out. If you do limit your search to only your specific year, you will miss out on some potential 'treasure' that is listed in this generic fashion.

In the pre-Ebay days, I traveled all around the country to car shows and flea markets to scrounge up parts for my restoration. I could have saved thousands of bucks and two years time if all I had to do was hit a few keys and go stand by my mailbox.
 
#15 ·
jfkheat said:
As far as the "right to end the auction early" part, I agree that it shouldn't be allowed but it seems that most of the auctions have that in the description.
James
I see the point regarding the opposition of this. Just to play the devil's advocate, though, let me point something out. Although it's been changing in the last few years, especially with Ebay and Barrett-Jackson and other car auctions, it's been my experience that it's often quite difficult to sell a classic and get anything close to what it's worth. If it's up for auction and you get a good offer locally, why pass it up? You may not get another offer, and the high bidder may back out, leaving you at square one.

Andy
 
#16 ·
circletrack said:
Thanks guys... I've bought quite a few items on Ebay, just not listed much so I searched on other auctions and did what others seem to be doing. The high bidder on this auction backed out HOURS after placing his high bid. His bid met the reserve so when he backed out everyone knew what the reserve was. I complained about him and that's why Ebay is probably cracking down on me, but if they're going to do it to me, they also need to pull the other auctions that are worded exactly like mine, and they're are plenty. We had over 100 people watching this auction, it's a shame.

By the way ~ 10804 items found for right to end early and 6276 items found for not chevelle in eBay Motors.... I'm not the only one! :mad:
Reply to their emails with examples of other auctions doing this. It is a pain in the XXX when you see almost any car with 'not Chevelle' in the keywords.
 
#18 ·
Filed my first dispute earlier with them.Couple parts haven't been recieved,been emailing him everyday for couple of weeks.Been a month since paid for them.Not much money ,less than $50.But i guess the point of it.Had a 97 feedback.See where it goes,something about he has 10 days to respond to them.Good luck in that.
 
#19 ·
Andy69 said:
I see the point regarding the opposition of this. Just to play the devil's advocate, though, let me point something out. Although it's been changing in the last few years, especially with Ebay and Barrett-Jackson and other car auctions, it's been my experience that it's often quite difficult to sell a classic and get anything close to what it's worth. If it's up for auction and you get a good offer locally, why pass it up? You may not get another offer, and the high bidder may back out, leaving you at square one.

Andy
I disagree...

Most cars will sell for what they are worth... Its things like B-J and Ebay that tend to cause inflated prices, well above the actual value of the car/parts... I recall hearing its something to do with psychology or something... The "atmosphere" of the auction (the excitement, they desire to win at any cost, etc) are what drive those prices sky-high... You always have people with more money than sense...

Then every person with a similar car/part seems to feel their item is worth similar prices... They set ridiculous reserves on Ebay and wonder why so many people backed out or don't complete the sale...


I like to check the auction results from Hemming's Muscle Machines, and I find it ironic, that most cars listed didn't sell for the ultra-high prices everyone thinks they are worth... Granted, I haven't actually seen what these cars look like in person...
 
#20 ·
How do you like it when they use key words like this on ebay? Now this will get some search results?

1967 1968 1969 1970 1973 to 1976 Chevrolet Impala, Belair, Caprice and Caprice Classic with 350, 400 or 454 V8 engine; 1977 to 1982 Impala 305 or 267 V8; 1980 Chevrolet Belair 267, 305 or 350 V8 engine; 1973 Chevrolet Belair with 250 L6 engine; 1973 Chevelle Malibu with 454, 350 or 307 V8 or 250 L6 engine; 1973 to 1981 Chevelle Malibu, El Camino and GMC Caballero with 454, 400, 350, 307 or 305 V8 engine; 1979 to 1982 Malibu 267 V8; 1973 to 1977 Malibu 250 L6; 1978 to 1983 Malibu 3.8 V6; 1973 to 1981 Camaro with 350 V8; 1973 Camaro with 307 V8; 1976 to 1978 Camaro with 305 V8; 1979 to 1980 Camaro with 305 V8; 1981 to 1983 Camaro 305 V8 4 bbl no AC; 1980 Camaro 267 V8; 1973 to 1979 Camaro 250 with L6 engine; 1981 Camaro with 3.8 V6 no AC; 1968 to mid 1969 Chevy Corvette with 427 V8 engine; 1981 Corvette with 350 V8; 1978 to 1980 American Motors AMX with 258 L6 engine; 1978 to 1983 AMC Concord with 232 or 258 L6 or 151 L4 engine; 1980 to 1983 Eagle with 258 L6 or 151 L4 engine; 1976 to 1978 Gremlin with 258 or 232 L6 engine; 1976 to 1977 Hornet with 258 or 232 L6 engine; 1976 to 1978 Matador with 258 L6 engine; 1976 to 1980 Pacer with 258 or 232 L6 engine; 1979 to 1983 Spirit with 258 or 232 L6 or 151 L4 engine; 1973 to 1975 Buick Apollo; 1973 Buick Centurian; 1973 to 1974 Buick Century 455 ci V8 with AC; 1977 Buick Century 403 V8; 1981 Century 350 V8 diesel no AC; 1977 Century 350 V8 gas engine code R; 1978 to 1979 Century 350 V8 engine code L; 1977 to 1981 Century 305 V8; 1980 to 1981 Century 265 or 267 V8; 1973 to 1976 Estate Wagon, Electra & Electra Estate Wagon 455 V8 no AC; 1977 to 1979 Buick Riviera, Regal, Park Avenue, Lesabre, Estate Wagon, Electra & Electra Estate Wagon 403 V8; 1980 Electra & Electra Estate Wagon 350 V8 engine code R; 1981 to 1982 Park Avenue, Lesabre; Electra & Electra Estate wagon 350 diesel no AC: 1981 to 1983 Buick Regal diesel with gauge package; 1980 Electra and Electra Estate Wagon with 301 V8; 1980 Electra 252 V6 no AC; 1978 to 1979 Park Avenue, Estate Wagon with 350 V8 engine code R; 1973 to 1974 Lesabre 455 V8 w/o AC; 1973 to 1977 Lesabre 350 V8 engine code J; 1980 Lesabre 350 V8 engine code X; 1977 to 1980 Regal & Lesabre engine code R; 1977 to 1983 Regal with 305 V8; 1979 to 1980 Regal 301 V8; 1978 Lesabre 305 V8; 1982 Regal 267 V8; 1977 to 1980 Lesabre 301 V8; 1981 to 1982 Lesabre 267 V8; 1977 to 1980 Riviera 350 V8 engine code R; 1975 to 1980 Buick Skyhawk with 231 3.8 V6; 1982 Buick Skyhawk with 1.8 L4 TBI no AC; 1977 to 1979 Buick Skylark 350 V8 engine codes L & R; 1977 to 1979 Buick Skylark 305 V8; 1977 Buick Skylark 301 V8; 1975 to 1979 Skylark 3.8 V6 or 4.1 L6 engine; 1982 to 1986 Chevrolet Celebrity with 2.5 L4 and no AC; 1983 to 1984 Chevy Citation 2.8 Liter engine code Z - HO engine no AC; 1985 Chevy Citation 2.8 liter engine code X carb no AC; 1980 to 1982 Citation 2.5 L4; 1983 to 1985 Citation 2.5 L4 no AC: 1973 to 1976 Chevrolet Laguna all engines; 1973 to 1976 Monte Carlo with 400 or 454 V8 engine; 1973 to 1979 Monte Carlo 350, 305, 267 V8 engine; 1981 Monte Carlo 265 V8; 1978 to 1979 Monte Carlo 3.8 V6; 1975 to 1980 Monza all engines; 1973 to 1979 Chevy II Nova with 350, 307 or 305 V8 engine; 1973 to 1979 Nova 250 L6 engine; 1971 to 1977 Vega all engines; 1973 to 1980 Blazer with 454, 400 or 350 V8 engine; 1981 to 1982 Blazer with 350 V8; 1985 to 1986 Blazer 350 V8 no AC; 1973 to 1982 Blazer 305 V8; 1983 S10 Blazer with 4 cylinder engine; 1973 to 1982 Chevy & GMC C & K Series trucks with 454 V8; 1975 to 1980 Chevy & GMC C & K Series trucks with 400 V8; 1973 to 1981 Chevy & GMC C & K Series trucks with 350 V8; 1975 to 1980 Chevy & GMC G Series vans with 400 V8; 1973 to 1982 Chevy & GMC G Series vans with 350 V8; 1983 to 1986 Chevy & GMC G Series vans with 350 V8 no AC; 1973 to 1985 Chevy & GMC G Series vans with 305 V8; 1975 to 1979 Chevy & GMC G Series vans with 292 L6; 1973 to 1982 Chevy & GMC G Series vans with 250 L6; 1973 to 1982 Chevy & GMC Motorhome all engines; 1973 to 1982 Chevy & GMC P series trucks with 454 V8 engine; 1983 to 1984 Chevy & GMC P series trucks 454 V8 no AC; 1973 to 1982 Chevy & GMC P series trucks 350 V8; 1973 Chevy & GMC P series trucks 307 V8; 1973 to 1982 Chevy & GMC P series trucks 250 or 292 L6; 1982 to 1983 Chevy S10 T10 & GMC S15 T15 pickup trucks with 4 cylinder engine; 1973 to 1982 Chevy & GMC Suburban with 400 or 454 V8; 1983 to 1984 Chevy & GMC Suburban 454 V8 no AC; 1973 to 1984 Chevy & GMC Suburban 350 gas engine; 1985 to 1986 Chevy & GMC Suburban 350 V8 no AC; 1977 to 1982 Chevy & GMC Suburban 307 V8; 1973 to 1979 Chevy & GMC Suburban 250 or 292 L6; 1978 to 1980 Jeep Cherokee 360 V8; 1975 to 1980 Jeep Cherokee 258 L6; 1978 to 1981 Jeep CJ Series 304 V8; 1975 to 1980 Jeep CJ Series 232 or 258 L6; 1978 to 1982 Jeep J Series pickup 360 V8; 1976 to 1980 Jeep J Series pickup 258 L6; 1978 Jeep Wagoneer 401 V8; 1978 to 1979 Wagoneer 360 V8; 1975 to 1980 Starfire all engines; 1968 to 1976 Toronado with 455 and internal regulator; 1975 to 1977 Pontiac Astre all engines; 1971 to 1976 Firebird 455 V8; 1969 to 1979 Firebird 400 V8; 1970 to 1979 Firebird 350 V8; 1977 to 1978 Firebird 305 V8; 1977 to 1979 Firebird 301 V8; 1975 to 1980 Firebird 3.8 V6; 1970 to 1976 Grand Prix 455 V8; 1971 to 1977 Grand Prix 400 V8; 1976 to 1980 Sunbird all engines; 1969 to 1971 Tempest all with internal regulator; 1973 to 1977 Ventura with internal regulator;
 
#23 ·
I agree with ebay on both of those.

The first clogs results, annoys searchers, and is just a poor tactic to start with.

The second one is a way to rip off ebay and bidders. People use it as a cheapskate way of not selling their item when it doesn't bring what they want instead of paying for a reserve. I have had sellers cancel auctions before they ended for a low price with a BS excuse like that.

Ebay seriously needs to find a way to crack down hardcore on violaters.
 
#24 · (Edited)
thunderstruck507 said:
The second one is a way to rip off ebay and bidders. People use it as a cheapskate way of not selling their item when it doesn't bring what they want instead of paying for a reserve. I have had sellers cancel auctions before they ended for a low price with a BS excuse like that.
while i agree there are many who do exactly as you say, BUT ive had items i was selling on ebay that i was selling locally as well. i stated in the auction that it was for sale locally and i reserve the right to end the auction early, in both instances the items didnt sell locally and i let the auctions run its course.

i consider myself an honest seller, and i think my feedback reflects that. but if i have something that im selling locally and it does happen to sell to a local person, i would rather sell it to that person than deal with the hassle of packaging it and shipping it, wouldnt you?

then add to the fact that many buyers are just as dishonest and unscrupulous as many sellers. ive sold items and got emails back from the buyer saying the item was damaged, unusable, wrong, etc, which is total BS. ill ask them to return the item back to me and i tell them that ill check the item for my hidden mark(i mark and take pics of all my items) and if its mine ill return their money, after that i never hear from them again.

there are other reasons, like buyers that take 3 months to send payment. this really annoys me, this aint layaway people!
 
#25 ·
aww come on I typed that in less than 10 seconds!!! and drank a beer at the same time:beers:
Marci said:
I hope you used "cut and paste" to post all that nonsense....;) :D
 
#26 ·
I understand there may be legitimate circumstances but it is in ebays interest to make decisions like that to protect their income as well as the welfare of clients

I'm sure they make much more money from advertising but a site that large probably needs all the income it can get to be maintained properly.

I always just try to sell locally first, if noone bites it can be ebayed. Having things sold out from under me is just a pet peeve I suppose.

When I started looking for a chevelle I was going to Dallas to pick up a triple black 72, had everything taken care of at the bank and everything but the night before I was going down I got a call that the guy sold it to someone else. I mean I see his side too but it was still irritating because unless he was full of complete BS about the cars condition we were gonna haul it back the same day without even being concerned with haggling.
 
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